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When Obama wins, is it a good idea to prosecute Bush & Co.?
I'm saying there's enough evidence to put them on trial
Uh... and then what? There is a reason the Feds wait until they have almost a sure conviction before bringing charges. These things cost a ton of money.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Originally posted by Garth Vader
I don't understand how right wingers can be so much for being "tough on crime" including some people here thinking that death is an appropriate punishment for stealing twinkies, but yet shredding the highest law in the land gets a pass.
OK, assuming Bush gives out the pardons to members of his administration then would that effectively kill any chance for accountability or are there other options? Is it possible that in the future the world court might go after them as they did decades after Chile gave Pinochet a pardon?
I'm saying there's enough evidence to put them on trial
Uh... and then what? There is a reason the Feds wait until they have almost a sure conviction before bringing charges. These things cost a ton of money.
I'm sure there's a few cases where they can do that. As I said, you probably won't get Bush on anything, but some lower aides or something. I'm sure there's some obstruction of justice or some other sorts of things you can get a few people on. You pull at the strings and see if the whole thing unravels. If not, too bad
"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan Robinson
Rove ignored a demand to appear before congress. That one is an open and shut case. Sending him to jail could not be simpler, he ignored a congressional subpoena.
Originally posted by Victor Galis
I'm sure there's a few cases where they can do that. As I said, you probably won't get Bush on anything, but some lower aides or something. I'm sure there's some obstruction of justice or some other sorts of things you can get a few people on. You pull at the strings and see if the whole thing unravels. If not, too bad
Yeah... you do an investigation, not just throw them up on trial and see if anything sticks. That's a good way to get everything thrown out of court and get yourself yelled at by the judge.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Originally posted by Vesayen
Rove ignored a demand to appear before congress. That one is an open and shut case. Sending him to jail could not be simpler, he ignored a congressional subpoena.
Only if we could send to jail everyone that ignored a subpoena.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
I actually have a hard time blaming Bush and Co. for the war. They were so obviously full of bull****. At the time, I thought that I had to be wrong, I had to be missing something. The media couldn't be that worthless; the American People couldn't be that thoughtless. I was wrong on both counts. So I blame America for being mindless cheerleaders, not Bush and Co.
edit: Bull**** isn't censored? WTF? (I censored it myself, for those about to point out the obvious.)
send them all to Guantanamo to see if the interrogation methods REALLY work ... they'll finally be doing a service to the country
Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"
Originally posted by Oerdin
OK, assuming Bush gives out the pardons to members of his administration then would that effectively kill any chance for accountability or are there other options? Is it possible that in the future the world court might go after them as they did decades after Chile gave Pinochet a pardon?
sad as it might be, I dont' want any world court that can preside even over American Presidents, as when that day comes we are all truly finished.
Cheney (if we are lucky, but sooner or later a Hitler II ) would have just moved to Hague and than >watch out<... either you can send them to Gitmo on your own, or noone should.
Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"
Let's just say that Judges aren't all that enamored with the idea... that and we don't have the prison space.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
The world would be safer if we let serial killers lose in order to make prison space for these folks.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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