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  • The Truth is Out There, and Hard to Shoot Down

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/...tain_ufo_files;_ylt=AgLHGTZasi8yDIYI_lLAe3tvaA8F


    UK UFO files reveal alleged attempt to shoot UFO
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    Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By RAPHAEL G. SATTER, Associated Press Writer Raphael G. Satter, Associated Press Writer – Mon Oct 20, 2:44 pm ET AFP/File – Image from June 1974 showing a series of strange lights racing over the skies of Barcelona, Spain. The … LONDON – An American fighter pilot flying from an English air base at the height of the Cold War was ordered to open fire on a massive UFO that lit up his radar, according to an account published by Britain's National Archives on Monday.

    The fighter pilot said he was ordered to fire a full salvo of rockets at the UFO moving erratically over the North Sea — but that at the last minute the object picked up enormous speed and disappeared. The account, first published in Britain's Daily Star newspaper more than 17 years ago and to this day unverified by military authorities, was one of many carried in the 1,500 pages the archives made available online.

    The unnamed pilot said he and another airman were scrambled on the night of May 20, 1957 to intercept an unusual "bogey" on radars at a Royal Air Force Station Manston, an airfield at the southeastern tip of England about 75 miles from central London.

    "This was a flying object with very unusual flight patterns," the pilot said, according to a typed manuscript of his account mailed to Britain's Ministry of Defense by a UFO enthusiast in 1988. "In the initial briefing it was suggested to us that the bogey actually was motionless for long intervals."

    Ordered to fly at full throttle in cloudy weather, the pilot said he was given the order to fire a volley of 24 rockets at the mysterious object.

    "To be quite candid I almost (expletive) my pants!" the pilot said, saying he asked for confirmation — which he received.

    Retired U.S. airman Milton Torres told Britain's Sky News on Monday that he was the pilot and has spent 50 frustrating years attempting to uncover the truth of his mid-air encounter.

    Speaking from his home in Miami, Florida, Torres said he never saw the UFO with his naked eye, but watched in awe as it appeared on his jet's radar and sped off before he had chance to fire.

    "All of a sudden as it was coming in, it decided to take off and leave me behind ... The next thing I know it was gone," Torres told Sky News. "It was some kind of space alien craft. It was so fast, it was so incredible ... it was absolutely death defying."

    In the newly published government file, the U.S. airman said the UFO appeared impossible to miss.

    "The blip was burning a hole in the radar with its incredible intensity," the pilot said. "It was similar to a blip I had received from B-52's and seemed to be a magnet of light. ... I had a lock on that had the proportions of a flying aircraft carrier."

    As he closed in on the object to prepare for combat, however, the object began to move wildly before fading off his radar. The target gone, the mission was called off, and he returned to base to an odd reception.

    "I had not the foggiest idea what had actually occurred, nor would anyone explain anything to me," the pilot said. He said he was led to a man in civilian clothes, who "advised me that this would be considered highly classified and that I should not discuss it with anybody not even my commander."

    "He disappeared without so much as a goodbye and that was that, as far as I was concerned," the pilot said, according to the account.

    Britain's military said it had no record of the incident, according to the files. Neither did the U.S. military. The second pilot's account, also included in the files, paints a somewhat different picture of events, saying there were not one but several "unknowns" and that he did not remember being contacted by anyone about staying quiet. He did not mention the targets' size.

    "I know this is not a very exciting narrative but it is all I can recall," the second pilot said.

    His name, like his colleague's, was redacted from the files.

    David Clarke, a UFO expert who has worked with the National Archives on the document release, said it was one of the most intriguing stories he had culled from the batch of files released Monday.

    He said that the CIA once had a program intended to create phantom signals on radar — and that this may have been an exercise in electronic warfare. Whatever the case, Clarke argued that "there's no doubt something very unusual happened."

    Clarke said the batch of files released Monday — which include witness accounts, investigations, and sketches — was part of a three to four year program intended to make a total of 160 UFO-related files available to the public.
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    I read somewhere dubious that the Soviets were very into shooting down UFOs and actually got at least one.
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    • #3
      Terrific. Here come the aliens, in their Faster Than Light vehicles, from another solar system, to our rinky dink planet...and we start shooting at them. Imagine what would have happened if we'd have hit one and really pissed him off.
      Last edited by Zkribbler; October 21, 2008, 15:58.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lancer
        I read somewhere dubious that the Soviets were very into shooting down UFOs and actually got at least one.
        I here that one was very powerful.

        Edit: I herd it too.

        Edit, edit: **** it.
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        • #5
          I told you in confidence, Lancer. Going out and getting a secondary source doesn't absolve you. NOW, the Air Force is going to come looking for me. Thanks a lot.
          Last edited by SlowwHand; October 20, 2008, 22:23.
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          • #6
            Just keep talking like you do and they'll figure you've just gone senile. We already do.
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            • #7
              Sticks and stones...
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #8
                ... was your dinner?
                I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                • #9
                  No, I had tiger filet.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    oh...

                    I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                    I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                    • #11
                      Now that I have pried your minds open...




                      Some people don't see the obvious connection between the two stories.

                      "Yeti" Footprints Discovered, Japanese Explorers Claim (PHOTOS)
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                      Share Print CommentsThe Daily Mail reports that a team of Japanese explorers in the Himalayas claims to have found footprints of the abominable snowman. Photos of the footprints below, courtesy of AFP/Getty.

                      The large hairy creature resembling a human or bear is said to live in the regions of Nepal and Tibet. While the scientific community largely regards the creature as folklore, given the lack of evidence, reports of the yeti go back hundreds of years.

                      Yo****eru Takahashi, the leader of the Yeti Project Nepal, made the discovery leading his Japanese team's third attempt at tracking down the half-man-half-ape.
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                      • #12
                        So a ufo dropped off a yeti?
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                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            I think the Yeti is here to endorse Barack Obama.
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                            • #15
                              I'm sure you're correct once again.
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                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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