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  • Tide Begins To Turn In Western Opinion on Gerogia

    "DID SAAKASHVILI LIE?
    The West Begins to Doubt Georgian Leader"


    One thing was already clear to the officers at NATO headquarters in Brussels: They thought that the Georgians had started the conflict and that their actions were more calculated than pure self-defense or a response to Russian provocation. In fact, the NATO officers believed that the Georgian attack was a calculated offensive against South Ossetian positions to create the facts on the ground, and they coolly treated the exchanges of fire in the preceding days as minor events. Even more clearly, NATO officials believed, looking back, that by no means could these skirmishes be seen as justification for Georgian war preparations.


    At 10:35 p.m. on Aug. 7, less than an hour before Russian tanks entered the Roki Tunnel, according to Saakashvili, Georgian forces began their artillery assault on Tskhinvali. The Georgians used 27 rocket launchers, including 152-millimeter guns, as well as cluster bombs. Three brigades began the nighttime assault.

    The intelligence agencies were monitoring the Russian calls for help on the airwaves. The 58th Army, part of which was stationed in North Ossetia, was apparently not ready for combat, at least not during that first night.


    The intelligence agencies conclude that the Russian army did not begin firing until 7:30 a.m. on Aug. 8, when it launched an SS-21 short-range ballistic missile on the city of Borzhomi, southwest of Gori. The missile apparently hit military and government bunker positions. Russian warplanes began their first attacks on the Georgian army a short time later. Suddenly the airwaves came to life, as did the Russian army.

    Russian troops from North Ossetia did not begin marching through the Roki Tunnel until roughly 11 a.m. This sequence of events is now seen as evidence that Moscow did not act offensively, but merely reacted. Additional SS-21s were later moved to the south. The Russians deployed 5,500 troops to Gori and 7,000 to the border between Georgia and its second separatist region, Abkhazia.
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  • #2
    I've never trusted Gerogia. There's something about a nation that refuses to exist that I just can't trust. Cynical, I know.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Elok
      I've never trusted Gerogia. There's something about a nation that refuses to exist that I just can't trust. Cynical, I know.
      damn, beat me to it.
      The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.

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      • #4
        Germany =/= "THE WEST"

        Germany = Russia's byatch.
        Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
        Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
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        • #5
          Actually many didn't think he's all innocent in this from the beginning. But even if he is responsible, it wouldn't justify all of Russia's actions, however.
          Blah

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          • #6
            New details...but they jibe with my analysis at the time.

            The separatists were shooting at the Georgians.

            The Georgians over reacted.

            The Russians way over reacted.

            BTW: We still want our military equipment back from those thievin' Russians.

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            • #7
              What's scary is how much McCain likes Saakashvili. Instead of decrying the risks and stupidity of writing the Georgians a blank check, Obama just bought into the condemn Russia and act tough act
              "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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              • #8
                The Georgians appear to have walked into a well-laid trap. They were baited.

                This makes them stupid. It doesn't make Russia right.

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  No military alliance with stupid countries.

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                  • #10
                    Even if the Russians leave Georgia today their reputation is severely damaged. I don't see investment returning there for at least a decade. (assuming they leave Georgia) Either way the nations around them will seek the common defense that is NATO. I really have to personally thank Putin for that.

                    This also proves that there's nothing an enemy can do to get Che to side with the west. No matter what an enemy does to a nation like Georgia, we're wrong.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BeBro
                      Actually many didn't think he's all innocent in this from the beginning. But even if he is responsible, it wouldn't justify all of Russia's actions, however.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lancer
                        Even if the Russians leave Georgia today their reputation is severely damaged. I don't see investment returning there for at least a decade. (assuming they leave Georgia) Either way the nations around them will seek the common defense that is NATO. I really have to personally thank Putin for that.

                        This also proves that there's nothing an enemy can do to get Che to side with the west. No matter what an enemy does to a nation like Georgia, we're wrong.
                        Lancer, you might want to get your glasses checked. Maybe you could get someone to read the article to you. NATO doesn't even agree with you.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arrian
                          The Georgians appear to have walked into a well-laid trap. They were baited.

                          This makes them stupid. It doesn't make Russia right.

                          -Arrian


                          Except from the military analysis by NATO, Russia wasn't prepared to go to war. In fact, if the Georgians had been competent, they might have been able to stop the Russians from intervening, if they'd been able to grab the South end of the Rotki tunnel. Generally speaking, countries planning traps don't leave themselves open to such simple blocks.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Saras
                            Germany =/= "THE WEST"

                            Germany = Russia's byatch.
                            NATO =/= Germany.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              Yay, we did use a Tochka on a bunker. Should've expended two more and dropped them on the General Staff HQ and the presidential palace themselves.
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