Landslide election results in Austria, Bavaria

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by Lancer
Not being able to safely walk the streets at night is a huge change for a european country. I can see politicos taking advantage of that. You guys need workers you should open up immigration to Philippinos.

No, Europe needs to remain a bastion of Aryan purity. The EU should just have a breeding program to create a new generation of supermen.

[Lancer]

negationism?

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Lancer
Not being able to safely walk the streets at night is a huge change for a european country. I can see politicos taking advantage of that. You guys need workers you should open up immigration to Philippinos.

And at the same time reports indicate that (at least in Belgium) crime rates have never been lower. I can't tell if that is the case in Austria however...

Populists always employ the easiest tools to lure ignorant people into their web of deceit.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Lancer
negationism?

or revisionism if you like. It applies to all genocides, but in this case it's the one on the Jews in particular. Strache idolized neonazism and he doesn't put too much effort in hiding that either.

[Lancer]

With an example like France, I can see why. Unless the moslem violence in France is just political fear mongering? I really don't know.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Traianvs


or revisionism if you like. It applies to all genocides, but in this case it's the one on the Jews in particular. Strache idolized neonazism and he doesn't put too much effort in hiding that either.

We got a KKK nutjob like that over here too. Nobody pays much attention and the 'right' has disowned him. Forget his name, typical monster wanna be.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Ecthy
No need to, they've been dissolving themselves anyway.

Hard to tell but

- Either we go back to the old status quo which nobody likes, but what with all the crises going on at the moment it's not a bad idea perhaps. After 15 months of non-government during a time of crisis our country is on a highway to decline. At least that's for sure.

- Or we will end up in a confederacy, if at least we can solve our differences. But that'll take a while still. Everything is in a deadlock atm. Disappearance of Belgium will take another few decades at least, imo.

[Riesstiu IV]

I don't really understand the motivation behind holocaust revisionism. If your platform is to to get rid of Jews, gypsies, immigrants, etc wouldn't you want to be a good Nazi and promote it as the ideal solution or something?

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Lancer


We got a KKK nutjob like that over here too. Nobody pays much attention and the 'right' has disowned him. Forget his name, typical monster wanna be.

That's because you have two incredibly huge parties and nothing else.

There is violence in France from immigrants (or more precisely children of immigrants) but that is due to socio-cultural problems. You could compare the boroughs with the bronx or so in New York. Depressing, with few career opportunities and an allround bad athmosphere. It has little or nothing to do with religion. It's simply a phenomenon Europeans hadn't anticipated when they let gazillions of foreigners migrate and had them put in bad neighbourhoods. Should've guided them more, assimilated them more if you like.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I don't really understand the motivation behind holocaust revisionism. If your platform is to to get rid of Jews, gypsies, immigrants, etc wouldn't you want to be a good Nazi and promote it as the ideal solution or something?

Yeah, but in order to do that you need power. And you can't have power if you openly admit to having those goals

[Lancer]

Poor buggers got a problem I'd say.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I don't really understand the motivation behind holocaust revisionism. If your platform is to to get rid of Jews, gypsies, immigrants, etc wouldn't you want to be a good Nazi and promote it as the ideal solution or something?

Those described as neonazis know that their views aren't popular, and that a simple "kill teh jews" doesn't sell amongst majorities, and could in some cases get them in legal troubles also.

So what they do often is too play down what happened, either by lying about it (no Holocaust or Hitler was teh good guy, only some bad eggs did something wrong etc, etc). And/or they try to focus on "what the others did", like some guys in Saxionia did when speaking of a Bomb-Holocaust, meaning the bombardment of Dresden, and so claim that everyone in WWII did more or less the same.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV


Do far-right still hate teh Jews are have they moved on the Gypsies and Turks?

Antisemitism --> Anti-Turk+Islamophobia

At least in rhetorics, there is no antisemitism at all, which doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by BeBro
I have no idea, but out of my ass I just say a mix of populism and fearmongering. Maybe Wernazuma can tell us.

Well, that was an easy guess. Yes, it was a mix of these. At any rate, the past years, the core topics were: "social warmth"vs."conservative/neoliberal freeze", which is why there was quite often some agreement between the far right and socialists vs. conservatives. However, Socialists were perceived to be too weak towards the conservatives, allowing the right wing parties to claim much of the "social" attribute.
The second most important issue is "the Brussels dictate"/"EU-centralism", the EU is extremely unpopular in Austria for people with low education. The debate is mostly anti-rational, but continuously fueled by the former ruling parties who happily also blame Brussels for everything that doesn't work.

The past "Grand Coalition" maneuvered itself into a stalemate, they virtually made no politics at all for not allowing the partner to move along any agenda at all. Result: Half of the desillusioned protesters did not go to vote, the other half went to the right parties. We can see that conservatives tended to vote Haider's party (the probably more moderate one) while Socialists voted Freedom Party, which got now the majority of workers' votes.
It's esp. the Freedom Party which scares me because they have really ultra-dangerous and nutjob people, and a pretty aggressive youth (they became the majority party for voters <30!). I'm scared by the mix of "National" ideology with "socialist" appeal - just add the words...
However, neither party is as overtly extreme as are the German Neonazi organizations - this wouldn't sell so well. What bugs me more is that the voters "overlook" recognizable elemen ts of fascism (the Neonazi past of Strache, e.g.) behing that meal of boiled crow.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Traianvs
Somehow (I haven't followed Austrian politics that closely) he retained his charisma and rallied voters again.

Haider managed to secure one province (Carinthia) basically as his feud. He's governor there and makes literally feudalistic politics, making lots of debts but almost "personally" handing out cheques for everything, from bonuses for heating, distributing gasoline at lower cost, give compensations for lately high inflation, kindergarden, etc.

It's short-sighted, but popular - it's the next governor who will have to consolidate the budget.

Maybe the greens would be the alternative, and a good one I might add!
Then again it's Austria, and I wouldn't hope too much for that...

The greens suffer from a paralysis. They have a friendly but really lame frontrunner. You fall asleep when he talks, he is always careful like walking on eggs as to not cause the basis to revolt (daring to negotiate[!] with the conservatives in 2006 almost meant a party divide...). This leads to the perception that he maybe doesn't even mean what he says but deliberately takes a pre-defined party position, making him sometimes inconsistent.
Some views of the basis, esp. on foreigners, don't sell very well even for people who are not xenophobic. The green position seems to be a xenophilia that shall compensate for overall xenophoby. They tend not to accept ethnic tensions as something reciprocal. Furthermore, they have no sense for "ordinary" people, being quite elitist. They get about 0.5% of the votes of workers! They don't understand their problems and don't speak their language.

So, no good alternative, but lamentably the only one that is not nationalist.