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    Banking crisis: G7 nations approve US rescue plan - but won't follow its lead

    US Treasury secretary Henry Paulson said he was 'aggressively' encouraging other countries to put in place similar schemes


    The G7 group of finance ministers and central bank governors today welcomed the $700bn (£bn) US bailout plan for the financial industry but there was no sign that other governments would follow Washington by drawing up similar rescue packages.

    The G7 vowed to take "whatever actions may be necessary" to ensure the stability of the global financial system. The group said that it strongly supported the US Treasury plan to purchase up to $700bn in toxic mortgage debt and other securities. It also welcomed measures taken by other countries to limit the turmoil, such as a temporary ban on short-selling of stocks or central banks' capital injections into markets.

    US Treasury secretary Henry Paulson said yesterday he was "aggressively" encouraging other countries to put in place similar schemes to his plan. But other governments were reluctant to follow Washington's lead in setting up funds to buy bad debts from crisis-stricken banks.

    "At the moment, I don't think Japan needs to launch a program similar to that of the United States," said the Japanese vice finance minister Kazuyuki Sugimoto, echoing similar comments from Britain, Germany, France and the European Union.

    In London, a Treasury spokesman said Britain was adopting different tactics, including a £100bn special liquidity scheme for banks and last week's intervention to aid Lloyds TSB's takeover of HBOS.

    The world's major central banks have already joined forces with the US Federal Reserve to pump hundreds of billions of dollars into financial markets to ease the credit crunch.

    Contacts have been intense as governments try to come up with a joint response to a financial crisis widely seen as the worst since the 1930s.

    The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, is visiting the US this week for a United Nations meeting and is expected to talk to officials there about the financial crisis. The British prime minister, Gordon Brown, said last week he was in touch with Sarkozy about formulating a joint EU response.

    European leaders have said that their banks are better balanced than their US counterparts and do not face the dramatic problems that led to the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the bailouts of other Wall Street firms.
    Governments welcomed the US plan to buy bad debts from crisis-stricken banks but were reluctant to follow Washington's lead. By Julia Kollewe


    US acting alone when it has to

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  • #2
    Japan certainly isn't a stranger to bail outs.
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    • #3
      Britain is not following.... what is the world coming to??? Americans throwing (billions) of their tax dollars to support mismanagement on their own??? can't believe that we are not following...

      Gordon Brown in touch with Sarkozy he is a sell out Scot
      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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      • #4
        Maybe we should foreign aid to pay for as much as possible of it.

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        • #5
          The bailout hasn't happened yet, it still has to get through congress. They are making noises like they aren't going to support it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Deity Dude
            Maybe we should foreign aid to pay for as much as possible of it.
            And that would affect the other members of the G7 how? (None of them get any aid). Though I wouldn't mind stopping billions of dollars of military aid to Egypt and Israel (the two biggest recipeints of US foreign aid)
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            • #7
              Alot of that debt is held by foriegn banks. I say let em burn. No reason US taxpayers should bail them out. Its called risk for a reason.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Whoha
                The bailout hasn't happened yet, it still has to get through congress. They are making noises like they aren't going to support it.
                They will do it. No Congressman wants to have to face being responsible for the total collapse of the US economy.

                Not that they would be, but I can see the election ads now...
                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lancer
                  Alot of that debt is held by foriegn banks. I say let em burn. No reason US taxpayers should bail them out. Its called risk for a reason.
                  The total seizure of credit markets would burn us all.

                  I am fundamentally against government intervention, but without it things look very, very grim.

                  The financial markets have been holding on by a thread for nearly two years. Slowly that thread has come undone strand by strand. There are very few strands left in the thread. When it breaks, there will be a crash that the world has not experienced since the 1930s.

                  Depressed economic conditions traditionally lead politicians to raise nationalistic flags to motivate the populace. Increased nationalism leads to conflict.

                  Nothing good can come out of the financial markets collapsing. If you think that would be a good thing because it would cause reform, then I would say go ahead and reform but avert the crash.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #10
                    the crash needs to happen to clean out the house, (should have happened in 2001 but here we are again now) because the same/similar practices will continue under different schemes and we will be at the same place in 10 years time, just than with US taxpayer unable to bail anyone out... let it burn now, let the finance collapse as much as it needs to.

                    Government needs to aid, but not as they are doing now - by basically protecting the very institutions/investors (their donors & colleagues) who got us where we are now... they need to let it crash and burn, and than support the rebuilding on the basis of the "healthy" institutions which survive the wipeout... + support the the market to revitalize as it always does...

                    that's the only way out, bailout will just delay the inevitable.... into even worse collapse evenutually...

                    cash for trash just gives more incentive to create trash...

                    *free market gurus should stick to free market as it is exactly those "unsolvable" and too complex problems created in years of mismanagement that free market is best positioned to solve and bounce back... to add my original view was that what was going to suffer from all this is dollar/US viewed as safe investment/print with no consequences... and the bailout is just protecting that... as I see no other "bigger" glorious goal that could justify throwing a trillion!!! and you can bet there will be more if they are now talking about 700bn... out of the window...

                    if Chineze/Arabs investments get wiped out like free market would have, their money for goods that they will still provide in the future, will be differently distributed - and that is all at stake, so US is basically guarding it's old almost untenable (economic/political) position now... bailout now burn even worse (together) in 10 years now... so it's nice to see that G7, and even UK are not playing ball... our own British Armageddon will come in maybe a year, dependable how lax were the institutions here (and I think it's not pretty either)... but it's not on the menu right now...
                    Last edited by OneFootInTheGrave; September 23, 2008, 13:24.
                    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                    GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                    • #11
                      We don't need allies because Jesus is on our side.

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                      • #12
                        True, that is why you don't even need money, so send it all to me
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