Obama looks like an Egyptian King

[ramseya]

wow...

Egyptians (the President and the Prime Minister of Egypt):





and before, you whip out a picture of Anwar Sadat, remember that Sadat's mother was Sudanese.

This whole Arabs displacing Black Egyptians thing doesn't make any sense as the Arabs of the 7th century that conquered Egypt during the reigns of the first post-Muhammed caliphs only numbered in the few thousand. They were Bedouins living in the 7th century deserts of Arabia and could not have possibly numbered enough individuals to change the ethnic makeup of Egypt.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I have a friend who looks pretty dark mixed except he has straight hair. Both of his parents are light complected. Either the milkman was black or he decends from some black people.

NEWSFLASH: We are all descended from some black people.


What is with the US obsession with race in any case.... I have no problem with Slovenians of Black or Asian origin but I do have a knew-jerk reaction when it comes to Ex-Yugos who are practically identical to me in appearance and (especially true of Croats) are very similar in cultural terms as well.

[Chemical Ollie]

Revenge of the mummy

[Heraclitus]

I think the American's nearly hysterical reaction to race, or race related issues stems from much the same problems as most American idiosyncrasies.

The USA has not history compared to most other cultures, this makes every historical even (the declaration of Independence, the civil war, world war one, 911) into a event of nearly mythological proportions which causes people to react unhealthily to it. A sneak attack is a day of infamy, a terrorist attack is a pretext for a world war, a injustice against a ethnic group becomes a eternal burden and mark, the founders are half-legendary figures ect.

In most cases all cultures react this way to events early in their life. The sacking of Rome by the Celts is a good example as are the Mongol attacks on early Russia. But most old nations don't react or mythologize recent events in this manner or even ancient events (if they themselves are even older than them, actually in such cases they tend to forget them), this means they behave much more rationally. And we can all agree that much about the US is "insane".

I'm not claiming being young doesn't have its advantages. It has and those advantages are big. This is especially true of the US whose entire raison de etre is that of being something "new" and "exceptional", if it wasn't there would be little point in there being an "America".

But this does not only serve to further empower an already vital nation but also has the effect of worsening the side effects as well.


Now not completley identical to this, but linked to it is the fact that the US hasn't existed long enough in its current state to allow races to mingle- actually come to think of it this is BS! The truth is. It has. Most whites have at least a tiny portion of black admixture and most blacks have a large white admixture (5-35%). This is off course the result of the one drop rule, but the problem is that the Afroamerican culture that has developed has adopted this principle on its own and is preventing people from self-identifying as white or mixed, this only adds another source of reinforcement (besides the ever present racist sentiment).


In Latin America your placement on the scale depends heavily not on your looks but on your financial success (read this up on wiki and studies) in the US the difference between Black and White is the difference between well... day and night. Latin America allows individuals to escape discrimination and the US does not.


As soon as you allow a member of the minority to escape discrimination you step on a slippery slope and before you know it you aren't discriminatory in any real meaning of the word at all.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I think the American's nearly hysterical reaction to race, or race related issues stems from much the same problems as most American idiosyncrasies.

No. It seems from the fact that the Repugs are losing on almost every issue, and so their "think tanks" are desparately looking for distractions.

Polls show that race will play a factor in this election, and so the Repugs raise "race" every chance they get. And their sheep-disciples follow along, starting posts like this one.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Jon Miller]

Honestly, I thuoght that race was a dead issue among intellectual types until I moved to the south/east. There I found that in the african-american community it was a huge issue, and that even many well educated people were racist.

JM

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Honestly, I thuoght that race was a dead issue among intellectual types until I moved to the south/east. There I found that in the african-american community it was a huge issue, and that even many well educated people were racist.

JM

You must understand that to the rest of the world the South/East you refer to is America, well at least the America of the early 2000's.

[Heraclitus]

In any case:

-The Pharaohs of Egypt where not black and had negligible black admixture

-The Nubian Pharaohs where the exception to this rule and where indeed black, much like Kublai Khan (& kin) was an exception among Chinese emperors in being Mongolian.

-Barack Obama is colored but not "truly black" (whatever that means) He is of mixed descent, a mulatto.

therefore:

Barack Obama is not like an Egyptan King, if he was just black he could be like a Nubian Pharao but since he isn't, he can't be compared to them. This excludes comparison to the vast majority of the pharaohs.

note: (the Egyptians had a very long ancient history, I'm sure they even had an "asian" looking pharaoh at least once so a mixed Nubian-Egyptian noble Pharaoh is not excluded)

therefore:

1.The answer to the OP is NO

2. This thread can be closed since no other meaningful on topic discussion will occur

PS Logic is grand isn't it?

[FrostyBoy]

Obama looks like an Egyptian King, that's all the proof you need.

[Az]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Actually all except the Nubians look white to me.


I wonder what this means.

that racial labels are bull****, and if ethnic borders ever existed, it's gone now?

Tanned Ukrainian chicks

I sooooo hope for the day people could just flip their appearances through gene and tissue engineering...

[gwillybj]

Originally posted by Az
I sooooo hope for the day people could just flip their appearances through gene and tissue engineering...

Michael Jackson?

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by gwillybj

Michael Jackson?

Well, yes - for the right price/cost of the procedure.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy
Obama looks like an Egyptian King, that's all the proof you need.

No he dosen't, and I've just proved that.



Reconstruction of a Pharaoh


Also I've just realized that you may not be refering to Pharaoh's at all. But to the Arab kings of Egypt of later times held the title (Malik Misr).



King Faud I.



Farouk I

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Az


that racial labels are bull****, and if ethnic borders ever existed, it's gone now?

Ethnic borders never existed before the AD's, it was only after people started migrating to very far away lands that the old continus spectrum of environmental adaptment was mostly destroyed and replaced by semiclear fissures.


Before that there where no ethnic borders, but this does not mean that ethnic groups did not exist.


In any case I'm a proponent of diversity, I hope in the future at least some people will employ GE to look like the races we have today (meaning that once we have GM I hope we don't turn into a monotonous species of blue-eyed tanned Australian beach boys), since on the several races are endangered and will most likely not survive the next few centuries.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Heraclitus




No he dosen't, and I've just proved that.



Reconstruction of a Pharaoh

I was referring to Pharaoh. I see strong similarities.