Why do people think McCain is good for the Military?

[Lonestar]

McCain campaigned against Webb's new GI Bill, skipped the vote, and then lied, saying he supported it.

McCain backs plans for Afghanistan that the commanding officers state are not working.

McCain's campaign flagrantly violated OPSEC, releasing the date of Palin's son's deployment.

McCain has backed the practice of misdiagnosing injuries as lesser ones so that money is saved by the VA, and went further calling for the "rationing" veteran's health care (by the way, he still takes his full disability check every month)

McCain won't let gays serve, calling them an "intolerable risk" despite the fact that the military is hemorrhaging people and can't meet recruiting goals.

McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. You know, those more frequent deployments you will have because we can't get the numbers we need.

McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq.

McCain authored a 2003 amendment that gutted the "Buy American" rules requiring U.S. military equipment, defense systems and components to be manufactured in the United States. Setting aside job losses in the states as a result of this, there is also the fact that we have seen an increase in the amount of defective equipment we receive as a result.

McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000.

Note that these aren't abstained or missed roll. He voted against them. He backed Bush when Bush vetoed the budget for Jan '08, which meant we didn't get out re-enlistment bonuses. He and the Republican's opposed the Democrats increasing out annual raise despite the fact that the domestic economic policies he supports kicked inflation so high we saw an effective annual pay cut.

McCain and these bastards get up there and use ****ing fake funeral footage of soldiers to wrap themselves in the flag, while at the same time prohibiting any actual footage to be shot of returning coffins. He meant to stand in front of Walter Reed hospital for his speech, despite voting against better funding for the VA health care system. The guy was using Petraeus in ads without permission literally days after the JCoS issued direct orders to all in the military to not allow themselves to be used politically. Hell, the Republicans just basically bribed an Alaskan NG general with an in-state promotion to get him to retract he statements about Palin's involvement in running the ANG. How much respect for earning rank does that show?


But hey, at least if he falls over dead we'll have Nazi Barbie running the show.

[Jon Miller]

Yeah, I have seen more troops being interested in possibly voting democrat than ever before.

JM

[Whoha]

Because they are dumb.

Or perhaps they see him as less worse.

[Kuciwalker]

Why are you insulting our troops, Whoha?

[Whoha]

Whats the sunglasses smiley?

[Whoha]

and to Lancer, do you Think that Obama will reverse this one:

McCain authored a 2003 amendment that gutted the "Buy American" rules requiring U.S. military equipment, defense systems and components to be manufactured in the United States. Setting aside job losses in the states as a result of this, there is also the fact that we have seen an increase in the amount of defective equipment we receive as a result.

Given Obama's early policy goal to gut the military do you expect him to reverse the other spending related items on the list?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Whoha
and to Lancer, do you Think that Obama will reverse this one:


Given Obama's early policy goal to gut the military do you expect him to reverse the other spending related items on the list?

"Gut the military"? Like, what? Getting rid of that abortion of a program called FCS?

[Patroklos]

McCain campaigned against Webb's new GI Bill, skipped the vote, and then lied, saying he supported it.

Good. Webbs GI Bill is nothing more than bribary for military votes and makes no sense from a recruiting/retention/payed for what you serve perspective.

McCain backs plans for Afghanistan that the commanding officers state are not working.

Like what?

McCain's campaign flagrantly violated OPSEC, releasing the date of Palin's son's deployment.

False.

Depoyment dates for units are easily available to anyone, unless you think families just wake up one day and their loved ones are gone. You know damn well deployment dates are not secret.

McCain has backed the practice of misdiagnosing injuries as lesser ones so that money is saved by the VA, and went further calling for the "rationing" veteran's health care (by the way, he still takes his full disability check every month)

False.

McCain won't let gays serve, calling them an "intolerable risk" despite the fact that the military is hemorrhaging people and can't meet recruiting goals.

The military is meeting recruitment goals, and when they were not it was by fractions of a percent. When did you take up Oerdin's posting style?

McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. You know, those more frequent deployments you will have because we can't get the numbers we need.

False. There is significant debate in both the services and Congress about what is adaquate and what is nice to have. We are at war, and if that requires me to deploy for years at a time then so be it, its what I signed up to do.

McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

Why not just give them 100 million? How about 100 billion? Not throwing money at the military is not a vice, as we say in the supply community "mission readiness at any price is no longer affordable."

Our military units have more than enough resources available to them, we have simple flushed them with money for so long they have forgoten how to be effiecient and resonsible with what they have, leading to waste and bloat. The easy answer to mission readiness is to throw money at it, the hard but proper answer for those who are stewards of the tax payers money and trust is to judiciously run and maintain a squared away unit with the more than reasonable means available.

McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

Again, blindly throwing money at the military is a BAD thing.

McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq.

"Safety Equipment"

Sounds like you are just mad someone won't write your ex constiuency a blank check.

McCain authored a 2003 amendment that gutted the "Buy American" rules requiring U.S. military equipment, defense systems and components to be manufactured in the United States. Setting aside job losses in the states as a result of this, there is also the fact that we have seen an increase in the amount of defective equipment we receive as a result.

Wait wait wait. First your mad that McCain won't write blank checks, and now you are mad that he was against restictions that would have made it harder and more expensive to procure equipment?

McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

Asking the services to live within their means is a good thing. There is money out there for these things, making the military prioritize their spending is not a bad thing.

McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000.

Repeat yourself often. The same sensible rebuttal applies.

Note that these aren't abstained or missed roll. He voted against them. He backed Bush when Bush vetoed the budget for Jan '08, which meant we didn't get out re-enlistment bonuses.

Reenlistemnt bonuses are not the only factor involved in a national budget Lonestar. And btw, every reenlistment bonus was back paid. As a member of a rate that recieved this eggregiously inflated bonuses, I would have thought you had notices that.

He and the Republican's opposed the Democrats increasing out annual raise despite the fact that the domestic economic policies he supports kicked inflation so high we saw an effective annual pay cut.

False on the pay cut, though now I see what your real problem is. You are mad that you didn't recieve your annual bribe for your vote.

McCain and these bastards get up there and use ****ing fake funeral footage of soldiers to wrap themselves in the flag, while at the same time prohibiting any actual footage to be shot of returning coffins.

GOOD!

He meant to stand in front of Walter Reed hospital for his speech, despite voting against better funding for the VA health care system.

False, he simply knows that money isn't the cure all, and has the courage to fund propery instead of panderingly.

BTW, you are only listing what McCain voted against as far as the VA, what was contained in all the legeslation he voted for?

The guy was using Petraeus in ads without permission literally days after the JCoS issued direct orders to all in the military to not allow themselves to be used politically.

You have a basic misunderstanding of military public affairs.

Hell, the Republicans just basically bribed an Alaskan NG general with an in-state promotion to get him to retract he statements about Palin's involvement in running the ANG. How much respect for earning rank does that show?

You know who approves flag officer promotions, right?

But hey, at least if he falls over dead we'll have Nazi Barbie running the show.

I really hope you were being sarcastic Lonestar, because if not my opinion of you as both a poster and a veteran just sank. Being in a the military or a veteran is not a license to milk the government for all its worth.

Honestly, your whining above puts the best of lobbyists to shame.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Lonestar
"Gut the military"? Like, what? Getting rid of that abortion of a program called FCS?

He wants to eliminate tens of billions of "wasteful" spending. His VP wants to axe the F-22.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Whoha
Whats the sunglasses smiley?

("cool" in between two colons)

And, for starting ANOTHER freaking U.S. election thread, I give Lonestar a

[Jon Miller]

Honestly, while the expensive toys are cool and good for physicists, we should be spending more on our men and less on the expensive toys.

JM

[Kidlicious]

No wonder Patroklos is a Reagan Supply Sider. He's in the Navy Supply Dept.

[Patroklos]

No wonder Patroklos is a Reagan Supply Sider. He's in the Navy Supply Dept.

Amounst your many other problems, we can now add your inability to read

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Good. Webbs GI Bill is nothing more than bribary for military votes and makes no sense from a recruiting/retention/payed for what you serve perspective.

Sure thing buddy. Far be it from the servicemen fighting this threat that the Republicans have compared to Nazism to receive similar perks that the "Greatest Generation" did.

Like what?

McCain disagrees with ADM Mullen's assessment on where troops should go.

False.

Depoyment dates for units are easily available to anyone, unless you think families just wake up one day and their loved ones are gone. You know damn well deployment dates are not secret.

So, basically "It is acceptable to make it as easy as possible for the opposition to find high profile targets"? Is that what you are saying?

I don't know how they did things on your ship, but passing out ship's movement was a big no-no for us.

False.

Wrong

The military is meeting recruitment goals, and when they were not it was by fractions of a percent. When did you take up Oerdin's posting style?

They meet the recruiting goals by lowering standards to the point of allowing the borderline retarded in, which to me, at least, is not good policy.

False. There is significant debate in both the services and Congress about what is adaquate and what is nice to have. We are at war, and if that requires me to deploy for years at a time then so be it, its what I signed up to do.

Which would be a lot more compelling argument if you had volunteered(voluntold) to be IA'd to Iraq, or were a ground pounder. One deployment as DISBO on a DDG then off to shore duty in South Carolina doesn't scream "tough deployment cycle" to me.

As opposed to Army/Marines who are cycling through every 15 months or less, causing retention problems(when they are at home between deployments) which means...more training for more FNGs! Hell, I was at an IRR muster this past July where they said the exact same thing. Recruiting is easy, retention is difficult. And Retention is important.

Why not just give them 100 million? How about 100 billion? Not throwing money at the military is not a vice, as we say in the supply community "mission readiness at any price is no longer affordable."

Our military units have more than enough resources available to them, we have simple flushed them with money for so long they have forgoten how to be effiecient and resonsible with what they have, leading to waste and bloat. The easy answer to mission readiness is to throw money at it, the hard but proper answer for those who are stewards of the tax payers money and trust is to judiciously run and maintain a squared away unit with the more than reasonable means available.



Again, blindly throwing money at the military is a BAD thing.

I'm talking VA facilities, not strict DoD facilities, and there's a big damn difference between the funding levels to two should get and do get, and you know it.

"Safety Equipment"

Sounds like you are just mad someone won't write your ex constiuency a blank check.

Remember, in McCain's world pork is only good if it goes to the Israel fund.

Wait wait wait. First your mad that McCain won't write blank checks, and now you are mad that he was against restictions that would have made it harder and more expensive to procure equipment?

With increased amounts of equipment crapping out in the field? Hmmm...

Hmm...

One does not exclude the other.

Asking the services to live within their means is a good thing. There is money out there for these things, making the military prioritize their spending is not a bad thing.

"We go to war with the army we have, not the army we want. Go weld some scrap metal on the humvee."

Repeat yourself often. The same sensible rebuttal applies.

Repeat a false statement often. It continues to be false.

Reenlistemnt bonuses are not the only factor involved in a national budget Lonestar. And btw, every reenlistment bonus was back paid. As a member of a rate that recieved this eggregiously inflated bonuses, I would have thought you had notices that.

(1)No, but that doesn't mean McCain isn't willing to play budget chicken because his particular pork isn't in the budget.
(2)I've been out for a couple years. I got out when the USN started making noise about folding my rate into the ETs.

False on the pay cut, though now I see what your real problem is. You are mad that you didn't recieve your annual bribe for your vote.

Not active duty, so the "Lonestar didn't get his annual bribe" isn't exactly germane, is it?

And yeah, Republican spendthrift economic policies(at least Dems tend to raise taxes to make up the loss) are responsible for the loss of buying power for ALL Americans, which means that servicemen are affected too.

GOOD!

YEAH! FAKE ****ING FUNERALS! WOOHOO!

THAT IS LEADERSHIP!!!!

False, he simply knows that money isn't the cure all, and has the courage to fund propery instead of panderingly.

BTW, you are only listing what McCain voted against as far as the VA, what was contained in all the legeslation he voted for?

I happen to agree with a lot of his procurement reforms, actually(The KC-45...and as a Northrup employee you CAN accuse me of "wanting a bribery check" with that.)

You have a basic misunderstanding of military public affairs.

Help me understand why "The guy was using Petraeus in ads without permission literally days after the JCoS issued direct orders to all in the military to not allow themselves to be used politically." is a good thing then.

You know who approves flag officer promotions, right?

Wait, I know this one....


...The Senate Armed Forces committee! ****, wait, who is on that again?

I really hope you were being sarcastic Lonestar, because if not my opinion of you as both a poster and a veteran just sank. Being in a the military or a veteran is not a license to milk the government for all its worth.

Honestly, your whining above puts the best of lobbyists to shame.

Your blind fellowship of a guy because he happened to lose 6 planes is pretty damning.

[Wiglaf]

Patrokaoios

OMFG MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN TEH MILITARY MONEYS!!!11 HE'S ANTI MILITARY!

Can it you homo wankers. The simple reality is that if you had to work in the senate and threw money at every whiney ***** who wanted the money you would be accused of wasteful spending and shot out the back of a lion's ass. Let's just get one thing clear. Last week I went to buy some lemonade from a stand run by some twelve year old boys in the neighborhood. I gave them $2.00 for one cup of lemonade. Now these kids work long hours. I'd say maybe 5 hours in the hot hot sun while their mothers call them capitalists and iron their clothes. But they don't get much business and make MAYBE $20 a day for their efforts. Am I to be berated for not giving these youngsters $20 instead of $2? Then berate me. Strap me down right here and berate me all day long. Berate my until I'm red in the face. I will not have any of it. IT is not REASONABLE. THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN IT. I'm being paged now. Maybe it is a booty call?