Lieberman to speak at RNC tonight

[Arrian]

That was my understanding as well. Perhaps Patroklos can enlighten us and save us from "hackery."

-Arrian

[Patroklos]

Oh please, since when were you gullible enough to believe Cheney and oil execs alone sat in an oak panneled room sipping fine whiskey and smokings cigars crafted our energy policy

[GePap]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Oh please, since when were you gullible enough to believe Cheney and oil execs alone sat in an oak panneled room sipping fine whiskey and smokings cigars crafted our energy policy

Given this administration's track record, trusting them is the sign of abject gullibility.

[Theben]

For shame, patty, you should have said 'if the whole thing was secret, how did you know the oil companies wrote it?' You're slipping.

Of course the counter to that is that Big Oil got pretty much everything it wanted, so whether or not it wrote policy or heavily influenced it is moot.

[Patroklos]

For shame, patty, you should have said 'if the whole thing was secret, how did you know the oil companies wrote it?' You're slipping.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by GePap
Sorry, but I don't see how if McCain loses the Republicans will keep him as a "party leader" anymore than Democrats kept Kerry as a party leader.

Who else is as well known in Congress on the Republican side than McCain?

It'd be like if Dole stayed in the Senate after 1996... he'd still be the main party leader.

Kerry was never really considered a party leader before he won the nomination. Hell, he was even second in his own state!

[Jaguar]

Also, I think what you're missing here is that Kerry failed to beat George W. Bush. It shouldn't have been hard. So the Democrats rightly demoted him because he was a crappy leader.

I don't think losing to Obama would carry a similar stigma. Of course, many Republicans disagree with many of McCain's politics, and he's old, so he certainly won't be the future face of the party, but he'll still be a party leader.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Who else is as well known in Congress on the Republican side than McCain?

It'd be like if Dole stayed in the Senate after 1996... he'd still be the main party leader.

It's not an issue of being "well known." McCain has never been much of a leader in the Republican Party, certainly not in the Senate. Heck, his "maverick" status is based on that fact. Bob Dole was Senate Minority leader before running for President. McCain hasn;t held any party leadership positions that I can think of.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Jaguar
Also, I think what you're missing here is that Kerry failed to beat George W. Bush. It shouldn't have been hard. So the Democrats rightly demoted him because he was a crappy leader.

Really, beating a seated incumbent President during "war time" is supposed to be easy?

I don't think losing to Obama would carry a similar stigma.

Last I heard, Obama is a political nobody with 0 experience, a secret anti-American muslim, and a complete joke. How hard should it be to beat an empty suit?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by GePap
It's not an issue of being "well known." McCain has never been much of a leader in the Republican Party, certainly not in the Senate. Heck, his "maverick" status is based on that fact. Bob Dole was Senate Minority leader before running for President. McCain hasn;t held any party leadership positions that I can think of.

McCain carries a LOT of sway in the Senate these days. There were a few articles in the Times about that about when Senators really need some bipartisan help, they court McCain to come on board and basically spin his magic.

Especially being in the minority, they are going to rely on him more than before.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by GePap


Really, beating a seated incumbent President during "war time" is supposed to be easy?

If it's George W. Bush, then yes.

[Elok]

It is truly a testament to Kerry's utter suckitude that he managed to lose to W.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Oh please, since when were you gullible enough to believe Cheney and oil execs alone sat in an oak panneled room sipping fine whiskey and smokings cigars crafted our energy policy

Bah! No one said anything about an oak panneled room, sipping fine whiskey and smokings cigars??

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Elok
It is truly a testament to Kerry's utter suckitude that he managed to lose to W.

At the risk of sounding too much like Agathon, it might also be a testament to the voters of your country.

[Elok]

Only to a very minor extent. I have a hard time blaming people for choosing the evil they know, or in this case the pathetic sock-puppet they know.