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    Philippine rebels in new attacks


    Separatist rebels have launched a series of attacks on towns in the southern Philippines, amid ongoing unrest over an autonomy deal.

    Guerrillas raided several towns in Lanao del Norte province, burning shops and houses. Casualties were reported, but exact numbers are unclear.

    Troops were sent to fight the rebels and, in a national address, President Gloria Arroyo vowed to defeat them.

    The violence came after the Supreme Court blocked a territorial deal.

    The government had agreed to expand an existing Muslim autonomous zone on Mindanao island, in a bid to end years of separatist fighting.

    But the court suspended the deal earlier this month after Christian communities argued it would increase sectarian divisions.

    Two weeks ago rebels occupied villages in North Cotabato province. The military used air strikes and artillery assaults to force them back and casualties were reported on both sides.

    'Reinforcements needed'

    Monday's raids in Lanao del Norte province took place near the borders of the existing autonomous zone.

    In pre-dawn attacks, several hundred rebels from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) raided the towns of Kauswagan, Maigo and Kolambugan, officials said, as well as outlying villages.

    In Kolambugan, troops and police fought the rebels in the town centre while houses burned, Mayor Beltran Lumaque told a local radio station.

    "They have taken over the business centre, the rural banks, pawnshops," he said. "We need reinforcements."

    By noon the rebels were said to have left some towns, but people were fleeing affected areas, reports said.

    A Philippine army general told the Associated Press news agency that the bodies of 24 civilians had been found, while reporters for the French news agency AFP said they saw nine bodies lying by the road in one village.

    MILF spokesman Eid Kabalu blamed the attacks on a renegade commander.

    "Our leadership has not sanctioned these attacks. This has to stop if we can confirm the involvement of our forces," he said.

    In Manila, President Gloria Arroyo pledged to put an end to the violence.

    "As your commander-in-chief I have ordered the armed forces of the Philippines and the Philippine National Police to defend every inch of Philippine territory against MILF forces, and immediately restore peace in the affected areas in Lanao del Norte," she said.

    "We will not tolerate and will crush any attempt to disturb peace and development in Mindanao."

    The president is to hold a meeting with senior advisers later in the day to discuss further action.

    More than 100,000 people have been killed in almost four decades of fighting in the south.

    The Philippine government had hoped that the autonomy deal would kick-start talks with the rebels. The Supreme Court is scheduled to hold another hearing on the agreement on 22 August.
    Lancer's house is out the little round island, north of Mindinao, and just north of the word "Del."
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    This basically shows the Islamist rebels can't be negotiated with. The government was offering them unprecedented concessions including domination of several non Muslim areas yet they just took it as a sign of weakness and continued attacking.
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    • #3
      I tend to believe the rebels when they say they have a renegade on their hands. I'll believe it more, if the rebels help the government track the guy down.

      MILF spokesman Eid Kabalu blamed the attacks on a renegade commander.

      "Our leadership has not sanctioned these attacks. This has to stop if we can confirm the involvement of our forces," he said.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        This basically shows the Islamist rebels can't be negotiated with. The government was offering them unprecedented concessions including domination of several non Muslim areas yet they just took it as a sign of weakness and continued attacking.
        You mean the unprecedented deal the Supreme Court of the Philippines struck down?
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          They better not be trying to take Poly House.
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          • #6
            Che's got it in one.

            The terrorists on Mindanao are the same ****s as terrorists everywhere, but the legitimate authorities on Mindanao have only ever been jerked around by Manila. The fact that Mindanao is the richest province in the Phils, and that the ARMM is run far, far better than the rest of the country (not that that's hard) doesn't help matters any.
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            • #7
              Rufus, how many are the moslems, do you know?

              Sloww, don't worry about the Poly Houses, few moslems on Bohol.
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              • #8
                Not many. They're about 5% of the population, so that's about 3.5 million. But they're largely in Mindanao; they're still not a majority there, iirc, but they've got critical mass.
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                • #9
                  ...and the Catholics have non critical mass?

                  Anyway, what would be a good solution to this? Having Catholics living in enclaves within a moslem autonomous region is asking for trouble, yes?
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                  • #10
                    They have extended mass.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                    • #11
                      Yeah no kidding Sloww. That reminds me, I gotta pack some kneepads.
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                      • #12
                        Well, since you ask...and since I've spent way too much time thinking about this particular problem...

                        The problem in the southern Phils is not primarily about religion. It's really about the fact that Mindanao is rich -- rich now, and potentially richer in the future if its natural resources are extracted (it's extraordinarily resource-rich, not only with minerals but, quite possibly, with oil). Mindanao is rich, and Manila's political elite are a bunch of incompetent crooks who are content to steal any wealth they can while doing f*ck-all to actually create wealth (exhibit A here is Loag in northern Luzon, a poor but resource rich area that Manila has basically turned over to the Chinese because the Chinese will actually extract the resources, whereas manila can't be bothered).

                        Ok, so what's the solution? IMHO, US-style federalism, one that balances the power of Manila with the power of the provinces. Elect senators regionally instead of nationally, give governors actual executive power rather than having them be mere administrators of Manila's will, reduce national taxes in favor of provincial taxes that the provinces get to keep. That's the place to start.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
                          Ok, so what's the solution? IMHO, US-style federalism, one that balances the power of Manila with the power of the provinces. Elect senators regionally instead of nationally, give governors actual executive power rather than having them be mere administrators of Manila's will, reduce national taxes in favor of provincial taxes that the provinces get to keep. That's the place to start.
                          I'd vote for it!

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                          • #14
                            Sorry, can't do that, the 4 families won't have it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lancer
                              Sorry, can't do that, the 4 families won't have it.
                              Bingo.
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