It's war.

[Saras]

Why do you have Cliff Richard as your avatar?

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Saras


Nice how you get mad when your plan to try and gradually annex territories doesn't work out all that smoothly. Peacekeepers shmeacekeepers.

Saakashvilli is bombarding South Osetian capital with its Grad MLRS.

Source?



as are most countries compared to Russia.




Hypocrites? Who?

I hate all this anger between us. I remember, in Soviet times, neighbors were as family and were duly respected, regardless of occupation or nationality. I'd like to think there existed something positive in those days, no matter what our national differences. Maybe, I hope, we can recreate that experience someday on another level.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Propaganda


Are you an "American"?

There is a huge difference. Everyone other then Native Americans (Indians) came here from some where else and agreed to give up their old identities freely. That isn't so in Russia. Russian imperialists conquered their land by force and naturally some of them aren't so keen on being Russian and would prefer to maintain their own cultures.

You need to stop claiming that there are no minorities in Russia while claiming that every Russian minority in other countries gets to redraw the map for the benefit of greater Russia. You honestly don't understand the double standard here?

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


That about says it all, doesn't it?

I knew you'd show.

[Saras]

There's no anger - unless Russia continues being its usual scheming, imperialist self and pisses everyone off.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Propaganda

I hate all this anger between us. I remember, in Soviet times, neighbors were as family and were duly respected, regardless of occupation or nationality. I'd like to think there existed something positive in those days, no matter what our national differences. Maybe, I hope, we can recreate that experience someday on another level.

Bah! The Soviet Union was a crap hole which couldn't even give bread to its people or toilet paper so they could wipe their asses. Your "people" ran for the door the second they got a chance because it was repressive and life sucked so bad.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Agathon


It's like <...> Britons complaining about the poor standard of foreign food.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/apr/19/foodanddrink.expertopinions

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Oerdin


There is a huge difference. Everyone other then Native Americans (Indians) came here from some where else and agreed to give up their old identities freely. That isn't so in Russia. Russian imperialists conquered their land by force and naturally some of them aren't so keen on being Russian and would prefer to maintain their own cultures.

You need to stop claiming that there are no minorities in Russia while claiming that every Russian minority in other countries gets to redraw the map for the benefit of greater Russia. You honestly don't understand the double standard here?

You don't understand me.

By all of the above, I was implying that I liked the Soviet experience, maybe not its political adherent, but we could have made very good of its economic utility.

My fault, however, is in finding cultural, ethnic, and historical similarities with a wide array of nationalities and cultures.

I'd like to think that Russia, one day, can accept its whole self, rather than just a historical piece.

[Propaganda]

AP: Georgia shoots down two Russian aircraft.


****.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Propaganda
Political differences drive many of these disputes.

of course, however many of these political disputes are because of, or intertwined with, issues of nationalism and ethnic identity. that is to say, there are huge numbers of people in russia who are not russian and do not see themselves as such. to pretend otherwise helps no one in my view.

oredin, it's not ethnic russians who are trying to break away from gerogia, but in south ossetia, it's ossetians. in abkazia, it's the abkhz who dominate the separatist movement, although there are also armenians and ethnic georgians involved. russia has supported, both covertly and overtly the independence movements in gerogia and their non-recognised governments, since the break-up of the soviet union. it seems to me to be about influence and destabilising the government of gerogia rather than annexing parts of the country, but i know others have a different view on this.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Bah! The Soviet Union was a crap hole which couldn't even give bread to its people or toilet paper so they could wipe their asses. Your "people" ran for the door the second they got a chance because it was repressive and life sucked so bad.

Do I need to explain the affects of "perestroika" to you, or are you being facetious?

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Propaganda
AP: Georgia shoots down two Russian aircraft.


****.

any link to this?

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by C0ckney


of course, however many of these political disputes are because of, or intertwined with, issues of nationalism and ethnic identity. that is to say, there are huge numbers of people in russia who are not russian and do not see themselves as such. to pretend otherwise helps no one in my view.

In my view, globalization is, in part, to blame and the ressurgence of previously non-existent nationalisms can be seen as a defense mechanism, in response to the dominance of globalization. Do you agree?

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by C0ckney


any link to this?

"I just saw it on CNN!"

I'll find a link, give me a second.

[Propaganda]

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accused Russia on Friday of making an incursion into Georgian territory, saying heavy Russian armor was rolling into the breakaway region of South Ossetia. ADVERTISEMENT Which would you rather feed your pet? Chicken byproduct meal Chicken Chicken meal "One hundred fifty Russian tanks, armored personnel carriers and other vehicles have entered South Ossetia," he told a news briefing. "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory. We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight." "I must also tell you that Georgian forces have downed two Russian jet fighters over Georgia's territory," he added without giving further details. (Reporting by Matt Robinson, writing by Oleg Shchedrov, editing by Tim Pearce)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080808/..._am3saHNt_5GIA