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  • L.A. wants to clamp yearlong ban on fast food

    This is sad and funny and stupid and so many things.
    Forget the smog, let's ban fast food. It's unhealthy; but it's only unhealthy for poor people. Ok, then.

    City Council to vote Tuesday on plan for impoverished southern part of city


    LOS ANGELES - In the impoverished neighborhood of South Los Angeles, fast food is the easiest cuisine to find — and that's a problem for elected officials who see it as an unhealthy source of calories and cholesterol.

    The City Council was poised to vote Tuesday on a moratorium on new fast-food restaurants in a swath of the city where a proliferation of such eateries goes hand-in-hand with obesity.

    "Our communities have an extreme shortage of quality foods," City Councilman Bernard Parks said.

    Bid to attract healthier restaurants
    The aim of the yearlong moratorium, which won full support from a City Council committee last week, is to give the city time to try to attract restaurants that serve healthier food.

    The California Restaurant Association says the moratorium, which could be extended up to two years, is misguided.

    Fast food "is the only industry that wants to be in South LA," said association spokesman Andrew Casana. "Sit-down restaurants don't want to go in. If they did, they'd be there. This moratorium isn't going to help them relocate."

    The proposed ban comes at a time when governments of all levels are increasingly viewing menus as a matter of public health. Last Friday, California became the first state in the nation to bar trans fats, which lowers levels of good cholesterol and increases bad cholesterol.

    Tackling new issues
    It also comes as the Los Angeles City Council tackles issues beyond safety, schools and streets. The council last week decided to outlaw plastic bags.

    Fast-food restaurants have found themselves in the frying pan in a number of cities. Some places, including Carmel-by-the Sea and Calistoga, have barred "formula" restaurants altogether; others have placed a cap on them — Arcata allows a maximum of nine fast-food eateries; others have prohibited the restaurants in certain areas, such as Port Jefferson, N.Y., in its waterfront area.

    Most initiatives were designed to preserve a city's historic character. The Los Angeles bid is one of few that cite residents' health.

    The mounting pressure has caused chains to insert healthier food choices in their menus. McDonalds offers salads and low-fat dressings; Burger King stocks Kids Meals with milk and apple pieces.

    That's why the restaurant industry says it's unfair to blame them for fat people.

    "What's next — security guards at the door saying 'You're overweight, you can't have a cheeseburger'?" Casana said.

    Officials: Diet key to obesity epidemic
    But public health officials say obesity has reached epidemic proportions in low-income areas such as South Los Angeles and diet is the key reason.

    According to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, 30 percent of adults in South Los Angeles area are obese, compared to 19.1 percent for the metropolitan area and 14.1 percent for the affluent westside. Minorities are particularly affected: 28.7 percent of Latinos and 27.7 percent of blacks are obese, compared to 16.6 percent of whites.

    Councilwoman Jan Perry, who proposed the measure and represents much of South Los Angeles in her 9th District, says that's no accident. South LA residents lack healthy food options, including grocery stores, fresh produce markets — and full-service restaurants with wait staff and food prepared to order.

    A report by the Community Health Councils found 73 percent of South L.A. restaurants were fast food, compared to 42 percent in West Los Angeles.

    If the moratorium is passed, Perry wants to lure restaurateurs and grocery retailers to area.

    Rebeca Torres, a South Los Angeles mother of four, said she would welcome more dining choices, even if she had to pay a little more. "They should have better things for children," she said. "This fast-food really fattens them up."

    Can't see the forest for the trees, nor the unhealthy fast food signs for the smog.

    Los Angeles’ city council committee has unanimously approved year-long moratorium on new fast-food restaurants in a 32-square-mile area, mostly in South Los Angeles, pending approval by the full council and the signature of Mayor Villaraigosa.
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    Is this stupid pandering or a good move?

    South Los Angles is a very poor immigrant community with a big problem. It has the highest concentration of fat people and people with diabetes in America. Over 30% of the children are clinically obese and fastfood restaurants are all that this poor community seems to be able to support or attract.

    Recently the L.A. city council voted to ban all new fastfood style restaurants in the South L.A. area. Personally, i like the intent but don't think real restaurants will bother moving into this poverty stricken area nor will it help these fatties lose weight. The reality is 50% of kids in LA get served school lunches and LA's school lunch program was rated the worst in the nation because the cheap asses won't spring for anything fresh or healthy and instead cut costs by giving kids cheap junk food. Maybe improving school lunches would be a better way to help prevent childhood obesity and while you're at it bring back PE which has been savaged by budget cuts.

    Council bans new fast-food outlets in South L.A.

    The one-year moratorium, proposed by Councilwoman Jan Perry, is aimed at attracting restaurants serving healthier fare to the area, where a study found 30% of children are obese.
    By Molly Hennessy-Fiske and David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
    July 30, 2008
    » Discuss Article (138 Comments)

    A law that would bar fast-food restaurants from opening in South Los Angeles for at least a year sailed through the Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday.

    The council approved the fast-food moratorium unanimously, despite complaints from representatives of McDonald's, Carl's Jr. and other companies, who said they were being unfairly targeted.

    Councilwoman Jan Perry, who has pushed for a moratorium for six years, said the initiative would give the city time to craft measures to lure sit-down restaurants serving healthier food to a part of the city that desperately wants more of them.

    "I believe this is a victory for the people of South and southeast Los Angeles, for them to have greater food options," she said.

    The ban covers a 32-square-mile area for one year, with two possible six-month extensions.

    The area contains about 500,000 residents, including those who live in West Adams, Baldwin Hills and Leimert Park.

    The law defines fast-food restaurants as "any establishment which dispenses food for consumption on or off the premises, and which has the following characteristics: a limited menu, items prepared in advance or prepared or heated quickly, no table orders and food served in disposable wrapping or containers."

    A report released last year by the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health found 30% of children in South L.A. were obese, compared with 25% of all children in the city.

    Still, several fast-food workers told the council that the panel was ignoring the good things their franchises accomplish. The workers argued that fast-food establishments provide residents with job opportunities and, in recent years, nutritious menu options.

    "McDonald's believes in healthy choices," said Don Bailey, who has owned and operated the company's restaurants in South Los Angeles for 22 years.

    Another foe of the measure was Madelyn Alfano, whose company, Maria's Italian Kitchen, has restaurants in Sherman Oaks, Brentwood and other parts of the city. Alfano said the law would create new red tape and force restaurateurs to spend thousands more to start businesses.

    "The intent of this bill, and this proposal, is a very good one. There is an obesity problem," said Alfano, whose company recently opened an express version of the restaurant in downtown Los Angeles. But "I don't think the restaurant industry is to blame."

    Moratoriums frequently last as long as two years at City Hall, to give planning officials enough time to craft new zoning rules. Perry said businesses can apply for a "hardship exemption" if they are intent on opening a fast-food restaurant.

    The councilwoman also said she expected city officials to come up with financial assistance for some restaurants.

    "This will buy us time to aggressively market the district and show potential developers that we are not only open for business, but have some substantive incentives to make it worth their while to develop in South L.A.," she said.
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    • #3
      This thread has been done already but since the other thread is on page 3 and it didn't get much of a response, I'll let this one go and see if it gets a better response.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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      • #4
        I wonder if Cracker Barrel would consider locating there?
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        • #5
          What I don't get is how they expect banning restaurants rich people hate is suddenly going to make the area more attractive to restaurants that don't want to locate there?
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          • #6
            Merged to make discussion easier, and a few now-irrelevant posts deleted.
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            • #7
              Tax the fat!
              That will have some results...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                What I don't get is how they expect banning restaurants rich people hate is suddenly going to make the area more attractive to restaurants that don't want to locate there?
                While I generally agree with your statement, they did say that they would offer financial incentives to make it more attractive. But I doubt we'll see fancy resturants opening up in bad neighborhoods anytime in the near future.
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                • #9
                  this is worthless posturing and will do nothing to solve the underlying problems.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rah
                    While I generally agree with your statement, they did say that they would offer financial incentives to make it more attractive.
                    The California Restaurant Association says the moratorium, which could be extended up to two years, is misguided.

                    Fast food "is the only industry that wants to be in South LA," said association spokesman Andrew Casana. "Sit-down restaurants don't want to go in. If they did, they'd be there. This moratorium isn't going to help them relocate."
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                    • #11
                      Another classic knee-jerk liberal decision.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rah


                        While I generally agree with your statement, they did say that they would offer financial incentives to make it more attractive. But I doubt we'll see fancy resturants opening up in bad neighborhoods anytime in the near future.
                        The issue isthat no one would go...

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                        • #13
                          I wonder if Jan Perry sees the negative health effects of being addicted to government power.
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                          • #14
                            Yep, that's why I doubt we'll see any opening up.
                            They don't want to be there,
                            and who would eat at them.

                            Of course it would be hilarious if a FAMOUS eatery opened up and all the stars and star wannabes stood in long lines in the slums while the residents are watching snacking on Mickey D's fries.
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                            • #15
                              I think this is misguided, but mom and pop restaurants might proliferate in the fast food chains' absence. Not all mom and pop restaurants serve healthier food, it should be noted. Mostly greasy spoons.

                              In DC, these types of neighborhoods want white tablecloth restaurants. Don't know if they could support them, however.
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