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I remember hearing that, I think the same thing happened with the C-17 as well.They kept giving the Air Force C-130s long after the Air Force said they didn't need any more. The truth is if enough Congressmen in powerful enough positions think they can save jobs in their districts then they can force the military to accept all sorts of junk they don't want.
In any case I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, the DDG-1000 is gold plated, but that doesn't mean it is useless. X-band and S-band are indeed awesome, the integrated propulsion even more so."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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AQ has the Swiss Guards working for them too?Originally posted by Arrian
As many divisions as the Pope has...
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"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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If anybody from Maine had that much power, they would never have cut it in the first place. If BIW dies, none of our current congresscritters will be returning to Washington. If they're smart, they won't be returning to certain parts of Maine, either.Originally posted by Oerdin
The truth is if enough Congressmen in powerful enough positions think they can save jobs in their districts then they can force the military to accept all sorts of junk they don't want.
Just another reason why it is so hard to cut the fat out of the defense budget."In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, HyperionComment
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Quick question for the naval guys...
Under Reagan we had a 600 ship navy. Obviously a lot of those were older hulls, but a lot of those hulls must still be around? Would it ever be worth it to retrofit some of those as opposed to a whole new 1980's era hull?"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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from a fellow Mainer, QFTOriginally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
If anybody from Maine had that much power, they would never have cut it in the first place. If BIW dies, none of our current congresscritters will be returning to Washington. If they're smart, they won't be returning to certain parts of Maine, either.
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No. The amount of work that would be needed would eat up any savings to be made from not having to buy new hull mateial and then some.Under Reagan we had a 600 ship navy. Obviously a lot of those were older hulls, but a lot of those hulls must still be around? Would it ever be worth it to retrofit some of those as opposed to a whole new 1980's era hull?
Ship architecture has changed entirely from the seventies/eighties and even the nineties in a lot of respects, even if it is not always readily apparent from the outside."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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My friend you don't know how devious these defense contractors are. They deliberately spread out the subcontracts to as many Congressional districts as possible so they get as many Congressmen as possible supporting their pet contract/project. The engine parts will be machined in 5 different locations, assembled together in a different location, the guns will be constructed in an entirely different location, and so on for every single part in the ship. Yes, this drives up costs by a huge amount but it also means that when they try to cut a program virtually every Congressmen has a stake in trying keep the contract alive. Maine is just the final assembly point but the parts come from every where.Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
If anybody from Maine had that much power, they would never have cut it in the first place. If BIW dies, none of our current congresscritters will be returning to Washington. If they're smart, they won't be returning to certain parts of Maine, either.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Most of those ships are kept in a dock some where as part of a naval reserve. Personally, I'd just sell all of them off before they become antiques and use the money to fund the construction of new ships.Originally posted by PLATO
Quick question for the naval guys...
Under Reagan we had a 600 ship navy. Obviously a lot of those were older hulls, but a lot of those hulls must still be around? Would it ever be worth it to retrofit some of those as opposed to a whole new 1980's era hull?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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You have the causality backwards.My friend you don't know how devious these defense contractors are. They deliberately spread out the subcontracts to as many Congressional districts as possible so they get as many Congressmen as possible supporting their pet contract/project. The engine parts will be machined in 5 different locations, assembled together in a different location, the guns will be constructed in an entirely different location, and so on for every single part in the ship. Yes, this drives up costs by a huge amount but it also means that when they try to cut a program virtually every Congressmen has a stake in trying keep the contract alive. Maine is just the final assembly point but the parts come from every where.
I got a look at the Philadelphia boneyard two years ago when we made a port visit there for the Army/Navy game. Most of the ships were non-combatant types that might sell for some money but not much. There were a few Ticos in there (the firs non-VLS ones), but as ships get more advanced even the slightest lapse in care means massive degradation, I doubt they will ever be sea worthy/combat worthy again. I am pretty sure they are just keeping them around for parts.Most of those ships are kept in a dock some where as part of a naval reserve. Personally, I'd just sell all of them off before they become antiques and use the money to fund the construction of new ships."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I rather think that both the Congresscritters and the defense contractors like it the way it is. So, maybe not backwards... just both ways.You have the causality backwards.
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Why would you ever use this, instead of aircraft?The Zumwalt was conceived as a stealth warship with massive firepower to pave the way for Marines to make their way ashore. It features advanced technology, composite materials, an unconventional wave-piercing hull and a smaller crew.Comment
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Aircraft come and go, the two 155mm guns can sit 10 miles offshore and provide constant support all day, without risking pilots.Why would you ever use this, instead of aircraft?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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They're also considerably less useful. Ship Guns died in World War 2, get over it.Originally posted by Patroklos
Aircraft come and go, the two 155mm guns can sit 10 miles offshore and provide constant support all day, without risking pilots."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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