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    I'd just as soon be the one to bring it up, knowing someone will eventually.

    Mexico had appealed to U.N. body on behalf of citizens on Texas death row


    updated 1 hour, 1 minute ago
    THE HAGUE, Netherlands - The U.N.'s highest court on Wednesday ordered the United States to stay the executions of five Mexicans on Texas death row pending review of their cases.

    Mexico had appealed to the World Court to block the executions. At hastily convened hearings last month, Mexico argued that the United States is defying a 2004 International Court of Justice order to review the cases of 51 Mexicans sentenced to death by state courts.

    That order was based on the Hague-based court's finding that the condemned prisoners had been denied the right to help from their consulate following their arrest.

    Wednesday's ruling comes less than three weeks before the first of the death row inmates, Jose Medellin, was scheduled for execution by lethal injection in Texas for taking part in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls 15 years ago.

    At last month's hearings, Mexico's chief advocate Juan Manuel Gomez-Robledo told the court the cases had not been systematically reviewed, and the U.S. was "in breach of its international obligations."

    'Extraordinary lengths'
    John Bellinger III, the U.S. legal adviser, said then that the federal government had gone to "extraordinary lengths" to carry out the World Court's directive and to intercede with the state courts.

    Earlier, President Bush issued a directive to the state courts to abide by the decision and also asked Texas specifically to review Medellin's case ahead of his planned Aug. 5 execution.

    Those steps were "highly unusual," Bellinger said. "It almost never happens that the federal government enters an appearance in state court proceedings."

    However, Texas refused, and in March the U.S. Supreme Court ruled by a 6-3 vote that Bush lacked the authority to compel state courts to comply with the judgment from The Hague.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Attorney General Michael Mukasey have jointly written to Texas Gov. Rick Perry, urging him to review Medellin's case, Bellinger said.

    Informally known as the World Court, the tribunal is the U.N.'s judicial arm for resolving disputes among nations. Its decisions are binding and final, but it has no enforcement powers.
    Which means we better hurry, unless we just tell them to kiss ass.
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  • #2
    I think you've already done that, Sloww. You even have the Supreme Court backing Texas up in thier telling Bush to go **** himself.
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    • #3
      Is it really that bad that the cases be reviewed to ensure you don't kill an innocent man?
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      • #4
        You do realize that they got a gob smackingly large number of appeals, right?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          You do realize that they got a gob smackingly large number of appeals, right?
          Sounds to me like it's inadequately funded, right?

          I do like how you favour skipping a review process to potentially save an innocent life just 'cause the backlog is long.

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          • #6
            "Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out!" Sort of a code of the west thing. Texas still subscribes to that code. Sure isn't going to let a bunch of "ferriners tell us" how to administer justice.
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            • #7
              While I oppose the death penalty on general principle, I can't actually see anything wrong with what Texas is doing here.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Asher

                Sounds to me like it's inadequately funded, right?

                I do like how you favour skipping a review process to potentially save an innocent life just 'cause the backlog is long.
                He means the individuals being executed have already had their appeals heard many times over.

                The appeals process for the death penalty is one of its drawbacks. It's often cheaper just to lock them up for life.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Felch


                  He means the individuals being executed have already had their appeals heard many times over.

                  The appeals process for the death penalty is one of its drawbacks. It's often cheaper just to lock them up for life.
                  Are appeals the same as reviews?
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                  • #10
                    Let me point out again that Texas leads in exonerating due ro DNA tests.

                    You have to also recognize that Texas doesn't like to be told what to do. Period. As a Texan, if you ask me, maybe. You tell me, and I won't, just to be contrary.


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                    Eventually, the USA is going to have to learn some facts about Texas and how to communicate with Texans.
                    We flat don't care what the United Nations has to say.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher


                      Are appeals the same as reviews?
                      Appeals are a review of particular facts of the case initiated by one party to the case, so in that sense they are a subset of reviews, yes.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher
                        Are appeals the same as reviews?
                        Not sure what you mean. Appeals generally concern themselves with technicalities, and don't review the evidence per se. Would reviews involve reexamining evidence?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SlowwHand
                          Let me point out again that Texas leads in exonerating due ro DNA tests.
                          Leads in raw numbers or leads percentage-wise?

                          You have to also recognize that Texas doesn't like to be told what to do. Period. As a Texan, if you ask me, maybe. You tell me, and I won't, just to be contrary.
                          How did a whiny kid achieve statehood?
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                          • #14
                            Appeals reexamine evidence when the appeal is based on the validity of the evidence...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lorizael


                              Leads in raw numbers or leads percentage-wise?



                              How did a whiny kid achieve statehood?
                              Use any measuring tool you want to use.

                              We agreed to join as a Republic. It was voted on. We weren't absorbed as a territory. We came in on our terms, we stay in on our terms. I wouldn't call it whining, at least not by Texas. Seems to me that it's the U.N. whining.
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