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  • Post 9/11 dragnet turns up surprises

    Funny what you find out when you investigate, rather than bow to cries for release.

    Biometrics link foreign detainees to arrests in U.S.



    By Ellen Nakashima

    updated 1:49 a.m. CT, Sun., July. 6, 2008

    In the six-and-a-half years that the U.S. government has been fingerprinting insurgents, detainees and ordinary people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Horn of Africa, hundreds have turned out to share an unexpected background, FBI and military officials said. They have criminal arrest records in the United States.

    There was the suspected militant fleeing Somalia who had been arrested on a drug charge in New Jersey. And the man stopped at a checkpoint in Tikrit who claimed to be a dirt farmer but had 11 felony charges in the United States, including assault with a deadly weapon.

    The records suggest that potential enemies abroad know a great deal about the United States because many of them have lived here, officials said. The matches also reflect the power of sharing data across agencies and even countries, data that links an identity to a distinguishing human characteristic such as a fingerprint.

    "I found the number stunning," said Frances Fragos Townsend, a security consultant and former assistant to the president for homeland security. "It suggested to me that this was going to give us far greater insight into the relationships between individuals fighting against U.S. forces in the theater and potential U.S. cells or support networks here in the United States."
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    As somebody said on Slashdot: "The plural of anecdote is not data".

    So they have a few examples. But they may be insignificant in the big picture; we need statistics if we are basing decisions on it.
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    • #3
      I think you think this proves something significant. You think wrongly.
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      • #4
        I think this proves something significant. You don't think at all.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Sloww: What, pray tell, do you think it proves?
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          • #6
            Clearly what it proves is we need a better border patrol. You know. I guess.
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            • #7
              I think it proves that the enemy is amongst us, they have infiltrated us, and got us hooked their foreign cuisine and fancy accents.
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              • #8
                I thought it was really interesting. About 1% of the searches overseas show matches in the domestic crime databases.

                Pre-9/11, domestic security was almost non-existent. We were relying on the good will of everyone so that nothing bad would happen. Mostly, this worked fine because there were relatively few people living in the US who were seriously disaffected against society at large.

                The information from this database raises the question of whether there is a sliver of folks who have become disaffected with American society by living in it. One possibility is that the acts of 9/11 crystallized this disaffection. Or maybe it was the American reaction to 9/11.
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                • #9
                  I find it more interesting that this and similar data is coming to light after discussions of closing guantanemo.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand
                    I think this proves something significant. You don't think at all.
                    What part of, you think wrongly don't you understand? Ah, well, if you think wrongly, you can't understand, can you? Sorry, Slowwy. I always over estimate you.
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                    • #11
                      Has anyone considered the possibility that these 'matches' are simply within the false positive error rate of fingerprint identification when a random fingerprint is compared to every criminal fingerprint record in the U.S. Additional verification is required, at the least a mug-shot comparison. I suspect this is government propaganda.
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                      • #12
                        False-positive rates for computerized fingerprint searches depend on the number of matching points. In any case, the initial match will be confirmed (or not) by a more careful visual examination of the print with the exemplar on file. The examiner can compare parts of the print that don't get counted as "points" to weed out false positives.
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                        • #13
                          For some reason I don't think they care about false positives in this case.
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