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    cluster****:

    More than 100 nations have reached an agreement on a treaty which would ban current designs of cluster bombs.

    Diplomats meeting in Dublin agreed to back an international ban on the use of the controversial weapons following 10 days of talks.

    But some of the world's main producers and stockpilers - including the US, Russia and China - oppose the move.

    Prime Minister Gordon Brown called it a "big step forward to make the world a safer place".

    He announced earlier that Britain would be taking cluster bombs out of service.

    The final draft of the treaty went before delegates from a total of 109 countries on Wednesday afternoon.
    See how a cluster bomb works

    'Bomblets'

    Cluster bombs have been used in countries including Cambodia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Lebanon.

    They are made up of a big container which opens in mid-air, dropping hundreds of smaller individual sub-munitions, or "bomblets", across a wide area.

    Countries like the US, India, Pakistan and Israel claim such munitions are highly useful on the battlefield, but opponents say that where the bomblets fail to explode they leave a deadly legacy for civilians.

    A father relives the day his five-year-old son was killed by a cluster bomb

    During the conference, delegates have heard first-hand accounts from survivors of cluster bomb attacks.

    Speaking at Downing Street earlier, Mr Brown said: "I am delighted that the negotiations in Dublin have come to a successful conclusion and congratulate the Irish Government and all those involved.

    "I am confident that this agreement is in line with British interests and values, and makes the world a safer place."

    The BBC's Paul Adams said he understood the agreement would outlaw the two types of cluster munitions currently held by UK forces, but would not prevent countries from developing future generations of weapons based on the concept of sub-munitions.

    And he said it appeared the UK hoped other countries not present in Dublin, notably the US, might be persuaded to accept the treaty later.

    Using British soil

    One stumbling block for the treaty could be the stockpile of cluster munitions the US military keeps at bases on British soil.

    It will be very difficult for the US to engage in operations with countries who have banned this weapon and continue to use them
    Simon Conway
    Cluster Munitions Coalition

    The British representative in Dublin, John Duncan, said the UK would work with Washington to find a solution to the issue.

    But in a statement, the Pentagon stood firm, saying: "While the United States shares the humanitarian concerns of those in Dublin, cluster munitions have demonstrated military utility, and their elimination from US stockpiles would put the lives of our soldiers and those of our coalition partners at risk."

    Some campaigners do believe countries like the US will change, however. They cite the landmine treaty of 1997 that was never signed by the US, Israel, Russia or China, yet those nations have not used landmines since it came into effect.

    Simon Conway, from the Cluster Munitions Coalition, said there would now be "massive" pressure on the US.

    "We think now that all of America's key allies have just renounced the weapon it will be very difficult for the US to engage in operations with countries who have banned this weapon and continue to use them," he said.

    Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey said the prime minister must make clear whether he would continue to allow the US to store its own cluster munitions on British territory.

    "If he is serious about ending the scourge of these weapons, he must bring this abuse of the 'special relationship' to an end," Mr Davey said.
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    Why are people against the preservation of those bomb species??
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  • #2
    Cluster bombs, like land mines, keep killing after the war is long over.
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    • #3
      Wouldn't that be true of any munition? Some percentage don't explode ...
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      • #4
        "We think now that all of America's key allies have just renounced the weapon it will be very difficult for the US to engage in operations with countries who have banned this weapon and continue to use them," he said.
        Yeah, that exactly what will happen

        In reality, our coalition partners will just ask us to take out whatever targets require cluster bombs for them.

        Cluster bombs

        Making them more reliable (less unexploded bomblets)
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        • #5
          Clusterbombs don't kill one-tenth as many innocent people as cluster****s like Iraq. Ban cluster****s!
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          • #6
            Funny bit of Kraut politics: before the meeting the official position of our gov was that they need clusterbombs at all costs, now they found out they don't really do
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            • #7
              Germans saying they DON'T need bombs? What has the world come to?

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              • #8
                Some campaigners do believe countries like the US will change, however. They cite the landmine treaty of 1997 that was never signed by the US, Israel, Russia or China, yet those nations have not used landmines since it came into effect.


                Don't we still use the Claymore?
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                • #9
                  Well, there was no word on banning panzers, so we can live well with it
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                  • #10
                    Don't we still use the Claymore?
                    I don't believe those count as landmines.

                    And remember we don't currently use landmines, that doesn't mean we don't have them.
                    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                    • #11
                      Claymores are usually remote detonated, aren't they?
                      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                      • #12
                        When in use by the U.S. Military, the M18A1 Claymore Anti-Personnel Mine is most often command-detonated. Such use is permitted by the Mine Ban Treaty. However, use of Claymore mines in uncontrolled (tripwire) mode is prohibited by the treaty.[5]
                        From Wiki, so yes it depends on how they are used.
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #13
                          I believe we don't use them in the traditional sense of putting a bunch in the ground to prevent access to an area. Using an individual mine or small number of them for a specific limited purpose (and then disarming and removing it afterwards) would probably be seen differently.

                          Edit: What that navy guy said.
                          Last edited by snoopy369; May 29, 2008, 12:33.
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