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  • McCain Implodes - All your base is Obamas

    Seriously regardless of your take on comprehensive immigration reform (pro or con, mine pro) a promise to secure the borders before tackling such an endeavor was part and parcel of McCain's attempt to curry favor with the base. Now he says comprehensive reform in Jan 2009. Ouch. In other words, screw the promises to the base as there is no flippin way the border has been stabilized.

    Monumental stupidity.

    May 22, 2008, 3:51 pm
    McCain Says Immigration Reform Should Be Top Priority
    By Michael Luo

    SAN JOSE—In yet another sign of his pivoting toward the general election, Senator John McCain said at a roundtable with business leaders here today that comprehensive immigration reform should be a top priority for the next president.
    Mr. McCain’s willingness to address the issue was striking given how the topic became something of a third-rail for Republican presidential candidates during the primary.
    When Mr. McCain’s presidential bid stalled last summer, many blamed his advocacy for the immigration reform bill in the Senate, which included a pathway to citizenship for the illegal immigrants already here in the country.
    The measure failed last spring after a firestorm of grassroots opposition. The issue became an important touchstone in the Republican primary, as the candidates scrambled to one-up each other in their tough talk on immigration as they sought to appeal to primary voters.

    Mr. McCain largely stopped talking about the issue and repeatedly invoked a mantra that he had gotten the message from voters that the borders needed to be secured first, before any solution for the illegal immigrants already here is addressed.
    Since he became the presumptive Republican nominee, Mr. McCain has given major speeches on a broad range of issues but has not given one on immigration.
    He found a friendly audience, however, here today at a business roundtable held at a Silicon Valley technology firm that included Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, Meg Whitman, the former chief executive officer of eBay who was a leading supporter of Mitt Romney’s but has since begun raising money for Mr. McCain, and a host of executives from Silicon Valley firms.
    After several of the business leaders complained about the difficulty in obtaining temporary H1B visas for scientists and engineers, something the Senate immigration bill was supposed to address, Mr. McCain expressed regret the measure did not pass, calling it a personal “failure,” as well as one by the federal government.
    “Senator Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States,” he said. “It is a federal responsibility and because of our failure as a federal obligation, we’re seeing all these various conflicts and problems throughout our nation as different towns, cities, counties, whatever they are, implement different policies and different programs which makes things even worse and even more confusing.”
    He added: “I believe we have to secure our borders, and I think most Americans agree with that, because it’s a matter of national security. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform. We must make it a top agenda item if we don’t do it before, and we probably won’t, a little straight talk, as of January 2009.”
    Mr. McCain asked others on the panels for suggestions about how to “better mobilize American public opinion” behind the notion of comprehensive immigration reform.
    Mr. Schwarzenegger, a strong supporter of immigration reform, chimed in, saying the effort could not be accomplished “piecemeal” and called for lawmakers to summon the “courage to go forward.”
    “I think all of us have to keep that pressure on Congress,” he said.
    Later, Mr. McCain took up the topic again, saying the problem of what to do with illegal immigrants already here needs to be solved, saying “they are also God’s children, and we have to do it in a human and compassionate fashion,” which drew applause from his audience.

    John McCain’s willingness to address the issue was striking given how the topic became something of a third-rail for Republican presidential candidates during the primary.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    Minute Men on the border have little sympathy for illegal crossings, all God's children or not.

    Hell, all the Mexican police are fleeing over the border, seeking political asylum, over killings by Mexican drug lords.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      McCain
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      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        If it was easier to get into the country legally, less people would be trying to get in illegally. That would make it significantly easier to secure the border.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          Che,

          Dead spot on. But this seriously is going to hurt McCain and his reputation as an honest Pol. This was absolutely a third rail topic that needed to be avoided like the plague.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #6
            This should not come as a surprise, McCain believes in this.

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            • #7
              McCain
              <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
              I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by snoopy369
                McCain
                He still hasn't convinced me to change my vote.
                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  Your vote for American Idol?
                  <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                  I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                  • #10
                    Americans in Canada can vote. From what I've seen of your system it can't be too hard to get on the list.
                    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                      If it was easier to get into the country legally, less people would be trying to get in illegally. That would make it significantly easier to secure the border.
                      QFT. So he is addressing border security first.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Whoha
                        This should not come as a surprise, McCain believes in this.
                        Of course he does, but (if true) what it does say is that his word is untrustworthy. He was supposed to be the straight shooter honest politician from the right to match up with the unncorrupted politician of change from the left.

                        Both obviously are illusions of branding but this one goes to yield a slap at the base for which he was already shaky. Obama's gaffe/slams against rurals hit at an area he was least likely to curry favor with in any event.

                        Moreover even if he ham handedly mistakenly misquoted (as is currently being quoted by McCain staffers) this is one of THE biggest topics that needs to be handled with kid gloves for McCain as it was the one that nearly single handedly sunk him early on.

                        The fact that he gave a time of Jan 2009 though strikes me as curious and gives pause to the notion that McCain misquoted.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                        • #13
                          "On the Democratic one side, you have a ***** who is a lawyer,
                          married to a lawyer. And currently ahead of her in the primary is a young lawyer who is
                          married to yet another lawyer."

                          "On the Republican side, you have a war hero who is married to a
                          blonde with big tits and her daddy owns a beer distributorship.


                          McCain
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #14
                            Don't get me wrong I'm still with either McCain or Barr. I'm just kvetching that McCain was so stupid to go down this road again when the consequences are so obvious.
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #15
                              Before these primaries, I had no idea why people hate Hillary so much. And why she is been seen as a person who does anything and says anything, whatever it takes.

                              Now I understand. Just be ready so she won't be elected the next time around either.
                              In da butt.
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