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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans have broken with President Bush to help Democrats add support for veterans and the unemployed to a bill paying for another year of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    The 75-22 vote also adds billions of dollars in other domestic funds such as heating subsidies for the poor and money for fighting wildfires to the $165 billion for the military operations overseas.

    The vote is a rebuke to Bush, who has promised to veto the measure if it contains the domestic measures. However, the president still has enough GOP support to sustain a veto.

    The House still has to act on the bill. Last week, the House voted to reject money for continuing the war.

    The huge tally in the Senate was driven by the popular money to extend unemployment benefits by 13 weeks and providing returning Iraq war veterans with sharply increased college aid.

    But dozens of add-ons favored by senators in both parties contributed to the unexpectedly sweeping tally.

    Such initiatives included money for Louisiana and Mississippi for projects including levees and coastal restoration.

    There's also $850 million for international food aid, $1.9 billion for military construction projects, and several billion dollars in various foreign aid programs — all requested by the administration.

    In subsequent votes, the Senate was poised to approve $165 billion to fund Pentagon operations in Iraq and Afghanistan into next year and reject Democratic efforts to urge Bush to begin redeployment of combat troops and place other strings on his ability to conduct the war in Iraq.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080522/...s_iraq_funding;_ylt=AjzgJrDhcH3YYilHpAW4PyKs0NUE

    This legislation provides tuition and expenses for a 4 year public university to anyone who serves in the armed forces for three years, as of 9/11. It increases the subsidy level (last set in 1984) to account for rising tuition over the past couple decades.

    Bush has promised to veto, but 75-22 is a veto proof margin.
    Last edited by Ramo; May 22, 2008, 13:59.
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    Don't whine when your taxes increase.
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    • #3
      Any word on McCain's support or lack thereof (I mean his vote, of course)?
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      • #4
        He opposes it, but didn't vote. Full roll call is here:

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        • #5
          There really should be a rule against attaching unrelated measures to a bill.
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          • #6
            Don't whine when your taxes increase.
            That's what Republicans do. Dems generally understand the need for taxation. Or perhaps we can whine about the taxation for stuff we oppose, just like Repubs whine about stuff they oppose (say for instance education, health care, social security - aka the terrible, evil entitlement programs).

            That said, I don't really disagree with DD here. Adding vet benefits to a bill for war funding makes at least a modicum of sense. Dropping in heating oil aid and other totally unrelated stuff? Meh.

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            • #7
              It will be interesting to see, when it is vetoed, whether the same vote occurs or if the republicans stay more in line
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              • #8
                'Course that is how the US Congress works. Absent some sort of fundamental change to the political process, that's how it always is going to be. It's hard to get bent out of shape about this sort of thing.
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                • #9
                  It will be interesting to see, when it is vetoed, whether the same vote occurs or if the republicans stay more in line




                  I'm guessing that Republican unity is generally going to be reduced over time. They're scared ****less from the Dems' three special election victories, particularly Childers'.

                  I think the Dems could pass the SCHIP expansion right now if they tried to (which only needs 10 more defections in the House for a veto-proof margin).
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ramo
                    'Course that is how the US Congress works. Absent some sort of fundamental change to the political process, that's how it always is going to be. It's hard to get bent out of shape about this sort of thing.
                    It's not so hard to get bent out of shape about it - it's frequently absurd and harmful to the country. What's hard is fixing it, without the cure being worse than the disease.

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                    • #11
                      The major issue here is that this sort of thing leads to reduced transparency, and the obvious solution here is for citizens and the media to pay more attention. But throwing completely unrelated legislation together is how compromise works. I don't have any particular issue with the process.

                      The line-item veto, of course, introduces major separation of powers issues, and SCOTUS has ruled it unconstitutional on those grounds.
                      Last edited by Ramo; May 22, 2008, 14:20.
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                      • #12
                        While personally I benefit from this bill and I generally like benefits, this is not a good bill.

                        It has become a pissing contest to heap benefits on the troops to make them love you more, the simple fact is that the civilian/military pay gap is all but nonexistant right now. No matter what patriotic crap you want to spew, there is a limit to what soldiers should be paid.

                        I feel like this is Rome and the various parties are bribing the soldiers to join their side
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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Patroklos
                            It has become a pissing contest to heap benefits on the troops to make them love you more, the simple fact is that the civilian/military pay gap is all but nonexistant right now. No matter what patriotic crap you want to spew, there is a limit to what soldiers should be paid.
                            (a) Do we have enough soldiers now?
                            (b) If not, compensate them better.

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                            • #15
                              No matter what patriotic crap you want to spew,
                              1. WTF? I don't believe I "spewed" any "patriotic crap."
                              2. Given the whole war thing, further incentivizing service, particularly for young people, might help with recruitment.
                              3. This isn't a direct subsidy to soldiers, but an investment in society's human capital.

                              So civilian/military pay parity isn't the only issue involved here.
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