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    The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Friday that a provision in Canada's Youth Criminal Justice Act is unconstitutional for forcing young offenders to prove why they should not be punished as adults for serious crimes.

    '[The provision] clearly deprives young people of the benefit of the presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age.'
    — Supreme Court rulingIn a 5-4 ruling written by Justice Rosalie Abella, the court deemed the reverse onus provision of the act is in violation of Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    The reverse onus provision places responsibility on teenagers convicted of serious or violent crimes, including murder, manslaughter and aggravated sexual assault, to prove to the courts why they should be sentenced as juveniles instead of adults. It was introduced by the former Liberal government in 2002 and was a major challenge to a nearly century-old approach that saw teenagers treated more leniently than adults.

    "[The provision] clearly deprives young people of the benefit of the presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age," the ruling read.

    "By depriving them of this presumption because of the crime and despite their age, and by putting the onus on them to prove that they remain entitled to the procedural and substantive protections to which their age entitles them, including a youth sentence, the onus provisions infringe a principle of fundamental justice."

    The provision has already been deemed unconstitutional by appeal courts in Quebec and Ontario, although British Columbia's appellate court has upheld it.

    Ruling could affect many cases across country
    Reporting from Ottawa, the CBC's Julie Van Dusen said the ruling doesn't mean an adult sentence cannot be imposed on a young person, but that it's now up to the Crown to justify why an adult sentence is warranted.

    "This is a very far-reaching decision by the courts today," Van Dusen said.

    "And one that certainly involves many, many cases throughout the country and one that will be looked at carefully by the government."

    Friday's ruling stems from a case in 2003 involving two teenagers, aged 17 and 18. The 17-year-old, known as D.B., was convicted of manslaughter after the other teen died following a fight outside a Hamilton shopping mall. While D.B. received a three-year intensive rehabilitative custody and supervision order, prosecutors opposed the youth sentence and sought an adult term of five years in prison.

    The ruling addresses one of the founding principles of the juvenile justice system, which in Canada was hived off from the adult system in 1908 with the creation of the Juvenile Delinquents Act, which eventually became the Youth Criminal Justice Act in 2003: does a young offender deserve to be treated differently, "not as a criminal, but as a misdirected and misguided child?"

    The Supreme Court's decision on Friday affirms the idea that teens, particularly those aged 14 to 17, should be presumed less morally culpable for their crimes than adults and therefore have a constitutional right to be treated differently.

    Harper's government watching case closely
    Four of the court's nine justices, however, gave a dissenting opinion. They said that, when it comes to violent young offenders, it is "entirely appropriate" for Parliament to consider the competing interests of public safety and the reduced moral blameworthiness of youth.

    As part of its crime platform, Stephen Harper's Conservative government has said it wants young people who commit serious crimes to be treated as adults and receive stiffer sentences, a move the Conservatives say would deter would-be youth criminals and cut down on repeat offenders.

    Harper's government is slated to review the Youth Criminal Justice Act sometime in 2008 and has suggested the act could be in for an overhaul. Friday's court ruling, however, may not bode well for the Conservatives' proposed crime platform.

    "This is the latest in a string of decisions made by the Supreme Court where they have not liked the idea of reverse onus, so it foreshadows some trouble ahead," the CBC's Alison Crawford reported from Ottawa.

    The government has passed a number of laws that feature reverse onus provisions for people such as dangerous offenders or those who have committed serious gun crimes and are seeking bail.

    Crawford said the government may also take heat from the opposition, who were present at committee meetings when expert witnesses warned that such laws may not withstand Supreme Court challenges based on rights guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Constitution.




    Several issues here:

    1) Parliament was trumped by the appointed Court (again)
    2) Laws re youth responsibility are all over the board and inconsistent
    3) A Liberal government brought in the change yet Liberals are critical of Conservatives that support reverse onus
    4) The SCOC is clearly trolling Ozzy
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    If some theoretical higher court, like a special UN tribunal, overturned this ruling, would it be SCOC-blocking?
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    • #3
      The SCOC is clearly trolling Ozzy


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      • #4
        lol you said COC LOL!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by aneeshm
          lol you said COC LOL!!!

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          • #6
            Wow... for a second I thought he was LS.

            Damn those Indian flags.
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            • #7
              Yeah, for once Aneshm acted like a normal forum poster. WTF?
              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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              • #8
                4) The SCOC is clearly trolling Ozzy


                Dan, can you give the SCOC a week ban?
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                  Re: SCOC - "presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age"

                  Originally posted by Wezil
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                  Several issues here:

                  1) Parliament was trumped by the appointed Court (again)
                  Ya know, back in the days yer average western parliament consisted 3/4th of lawyers. Maybe courts didn't turn down laws nearly as often because MP's had a better clue of what they were producing. I, for one, am grateful there's an unelected element in our systems that protects people from their own follies.
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                    Re: Re: SCOC - "presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age"

                    Originally posted by Colon™


                    Ya know, back in the days yer average western parliament consisted 3/4th of lawyers. Maybe courts didn't turn down laws nearly as often because MP's had a better clue of what they were producing. I, for one, am grateful there's an unelected element in our systems that protects people from their own follies.
                    I concur, someone needs to protect us from people like Hermans



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Krill
                      Yeah, for once Aneshm acted like a normal forum poster. WTF?
                      Unbelievable!

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                        Re: Re: SCOC - "presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age"

                        Originally posted by Colon™


                        Ya know, back in the days yer average western parliament consisted 3/4th of lawyers. Maybe courts didn't turn down laws nearly as often because MP's had a better clue of what they were producing. I, for one, am grateful there's an unelected element in our systems that protects people from their own follies.
                        Where is the folly in saying that people under 18 years of age need to demonstrate that they deserve to be treated with leniency after topping someone, or being found guilty of some other serious crime?

                        The Supreme Court's decision on Friday affirms the idea that teens, particularly those aged 14 to 17, should be presumed less morally culpable for their crimes than adults and therefore have a constitutional right to be treated differently.


                        The SCOC just invented another bloody right that doesn't come anywhere close to existing in the document.

                        Section 7:
                        Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.


                        Since when was being mollycoddled as a juvenile a principle of fundamental justice?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aneeshm
                          lol you said COC LOL!!!
                          Supreme COC(s) to you.
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                            Re: Re: Re: SCOC - "presumption of diminished moral blameworthiness based on age"

                            Originally posted by notyoueither


                            Where is the folly in saying that people under 18 years of age need to demonstrate that they deserve to be treated with leniency after topping someone, or being found guilty of some other serious crime?
                            Because of the shift in burden of proof, as stated by the Supreme Court?

                            "[78] The onus on the young person of satisfying the court of the sufficiency of the factors in s. 72(1) so that a youth sentence can be imposed also contravenes what the Crown concedes in its factum is another principle of fundamental justice, namely, that the Crown is obliged to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, any aggravating factors in sentencing on which it relies."
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                            • #15
                              That's bogus.

                              Parliament has intended to say that the normal punishment for murder will be an adult sentence, but they've left the door open to allow courts to give a juvenille a break.

                              As with many criminal matters, the convicted can argue for lenient treatment.
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