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    I'm glad I've never had a credit card.



    Even as the Federal Reserve has cut interest rates, financial institutions have sharply raised rates for credit card customers -- even those who pay on time -- as they grapple with losses from other bad consumer loans.
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    This month, Washington Mutual told some credit card customers that it was raising their rates by as much as 100 percent. Discover is lifting its penalty rate to 31 percent, effective May 1, and may apply that maximum to consumers who exceed their credit limit twice in a rolling 12 months.

    Bank of America raised rates for some customers in March -- triple, in some cases, though spokeswoman Betty Riess says "it would be very rare."

    All three institutions say they reserve the right to adjust rates when customers become higher risks. Keith Givens, a spokesman for Washington Mutual, also notes that the decision to raise some rates is "an indicator of overall deterioration in the economy."

    As banks deal with tough business conditions, their definition of risk is evolving.

    That's why even responsible consumers whose credit scores haven't changed are being hit, says Joseph Ridout, a spokesman for Consumer Action, an advocacy group.

    Bill Hardekopf, CEO of LowCards.com, says the card comparison site is "seeing more aggressive fees come out, and issuers are quicker to change interest rates."

    He notes that as banks lose money on mortgage loans, it's logical they would try to boost credit card profits. "If one end of your business is suffering, you look to the other end to pick up the slack."

    To boost profits, some banks have also imposed higher fees on consumers for paying late, transferring credit card balances and withdrawing money from an ATM.

    The danger for cardholders is that as some struggle to pay bills, steep rate or fee increases could nudge them toward default. Credit card delinquencies have been climbing, and overall consumer loan delinquencies are at their highest since 1992
    So they **** up their mortgage holdings by creating a situation where it's cheaper for a home owner to walk away than even try to sell... and to "fix" their revenue problems, are going to do something similar to the credit card debtors.

    Not only this, but they're admitting that their "business is good" bull**** used to pump their stock prices is outright lies. (As previously seen by IB's borrowing of billions from the Fed as "we're just trying out the new Fed window being open to us... we don't need the money... really... we don't. $4Billion please. Thanks Ben. Here's some crappy mortgage backed paper as collateral.") I'm not sure what it'll take for the stock market to crash, but they seem intent on taking it there.

  • #2
    Accepting any debt management with a variable rate is basically asking to be raped in the ass. I didn't know this heresy extended to credit cards as well.
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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    • #3
      Remember it is not possible to declare bankruptcy and eliminate credit card debt. The banks lobbied the Republican controlled Congress into revoking most bankruptcy protections and then they also got the Federal usury law so watered down it is meaningless (both in 2004 if memory services). It used to be illegal to charge more then 25% interest but now banks are free to raise rates much higher just as long as they give one month prior notice. That means you can have a fixed 9% card, be late on one payment and find yourself with a 30%-35% rate card for all of your existing balance.
      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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      • #4
        And really, it's been a pet peeve of mine for years, but wtf is interesting about a credit card anyway, rather than a debit card?

        I mean, if you have no money and must choose between borrowing and stealing for survival, I understand the use of a credit card. But if you're middle class, I fail to see any benefit of going in debt to buy consumer goods...
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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        • #5
          If you have the buying power to pay off your balances, credit card is a wonderful tool. I had two instances in which my credit card company recovered thousands of dollars from fraudulent merchants.

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          • #6

            Over here, if your account has been debited through fraudulent means by a debit card, the bank is forced to let you recover your stolen money as well...
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Credit cards

              Zero balances (unless I'm using them for parking teh 0% balance transfers in a savings account) + pots of cash back/points/etc.
              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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              • #8
                I like that I can buy things now while my money is sitting in a bank somewhere earning me interest. If I pay within 30 days, I don't pay any interest either regardless of my credit card's rate. With interest rates being as high as they are, such a situation is made of win.
                I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LordShiva
                  Credit cards

                  Zero balances (unless I'm using them for parking teh 0% balance transfers in a savings account) + pots of cash back/points/etc.
                  Except your taxes go to pay for those who misuse the debt. (And your $ is worth less all around.)

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                  • #10
                    That's why I'm going to move my money and legal residence to a shady offshore tax haven
                    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                    • #11
                      That's probably the way to go. Just when they look for a scapegoat, you better be the one leading the charge

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                      • #12
                        Remember it is not possible to declare bankruptcy and eliminate credit card debt.
                        As it should be.

                        Responsibility for your actions
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #13
                          When I was 15 or 16 yo I was playing a game of horse with my brothers. I hit a shot from out on the street, over the telephone wires... the younger of my brothers bet me $100 billion that I couldn't make the shot again. I shot again... nothing but net.

                          I think this constitutes a "level 3" asset. What I was thinking is I can incorporate, go to the Fed, get $30 billion using my brother's bet as collateral, loan out $29 billion to anyone with a pulse, offer an IPO of 49% of the company, pay myself $100 million bonus for increasing revenue, then fire myself, with a generous severance package of course...

                          Take all my money and buy PUTs on my company.

                          What do you think?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Patroklos


                            As it should be.

                            Responsibility for your actions
                            You really are dim sometimes. Did you know that in the US the leading cause of bankruptcy is sickness? Someone gets seriously ill (cancer or what not) and as a result loses their job or is forced to pay medical bills they don't have the money for and then can't make payments. The result is bankruptcy. I suppose in your view they should have done the responsible thing and just died.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aeson
                              When I was 15 or 16 yo I was playing a game of horse with my brothers. I hit a shot from out on the street, over the telephone wires... the younger of my brothers bet me $100 billion that I couldn't make the shot again. I shot again... nothing but net.

                              I think this constitutes a "level 3" asset. What I was thinking is I can incorporate, go to the Fed, get $30 billion using my brother's bet as collateral, loan out $29 billion to anyone with a pulse, offer an IPO of 49% of the company, pay myself $100 million bonus for increasing revenue, then fire myself, with a generous severance package of course...

                              Take all my money and buy PUTs on my company.

                              What do you think?
                              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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