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    A tree said to be the oldest on the planet - thought to be nearly 10,000 years old - has been found in Sweden.

    Scientists from Umeaa University discovered the spruce on Fulu Mountain in Dalarna province while carrying out a census of tree species there in 2004.

    The age of its genetic material was recently calculated using carbon dating at a laboratory in Miami, Florida.

    Scientists had believed the world's oldest trees were 4,000-year-old pine trees found in North America.

    The oldest, a bristlecone pine named Methuselah located in California's White Mountains, is aged 4,768, according to the Guinness Book of World Records.

    Cloning

    The new record contender, which would have taken root just after the last ice age, was found among a cluster of around 20 spruces believed to be more than 8,000 years old at an altitude of 910m (2,985ft) on Fulu Mountain.

    The visible portion of the spruce was comparatively new, but analysis of four "generations" of remains - cones and wood - found underneath its crown showed its root system had been growing for 9,550 years, Umeaa University said.

    Umeaa's professor of physical geography, Leif Kullmann, said the spruce's stems or trunks had a lifespan of around 600 years, but as soon as one died, a cloned stem could emerge from the root system.

    The clones take root each winter as snow pushes low-lying branches of the mother tree down to ground level, Mr Kullmann added.

    The discovery of the tree has been surprising, because the spruce had until now been regarded as a relative newcomer in the region.

    "Our results have shown the complete opposite, that the spruce is one of the oldest known trees in the mountain range," Mr Kullmann said.

    He explained that 10,000 years ago the spruce would have been extremely rare in the region and that it was conceivable Mesolithic humans might have imported the species as they migrated northwards with the receding ice cap.

    The discovery also shows that it was much warmer in the region at the time than had been thought previously, perhaps even warmer than today, he added.

    Any Creationists in the house?
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    I was going to say that this thread wasn't that nice to Zkribbler, but then I realized it wasn't about him.
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    • #3
      this is 10,000 years old?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkG
        this is 10,000 years old?
        I'd like to see YOU when you're that old.

        As for creationism... ya know God is almighty. He can create a five thousand years old tree no problem.

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        • #5
          Even young earth creationists can accept ages of up to 10,000 years, so this won't change any of their minds. Not that their minds will be changed anyway...they tend not to accept carbon dating.
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          • #6
            That history is obviously a fake made up by an oil industry lackey :

            The discovery also shows that it was much warmer in the region at the time than had been thought previously, perhaps even warmer than today, he added.
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            • #7
              I saw this. Interesting that the tree itself dies but the root stays alive and they count it. The bristle cone pines aren't much bigger but they're way more interesting since you can actually count the tree rings.
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              • #8
                Sadly, all the scientific prodding and probing has introduced a fungus deep into the core of the ancient tree and it is now dying.
                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                • #9
                  Re: Meet the oldest living thing on Earth

                  Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
                  AKA Yggdrasil

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                  Any Creationists in the house?
                  Wingnut retort: Tree of Knowledge.
                  Obvious smackdown: That's not an apple tree, you dumbass.
                  The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                  The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                  • #10
                    Actually the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (to give it its full name) was only later associated with apples, because the Latin word for evil sounded very similar to the Latin word for "apple".

                    The only rational deduction from all this is that when Adam's watchful eye was elsewhere, Eve was gorging herself on banana.


                    Edit: changed "eating" to something a bit more pleasant.
                    Last edited by Alinestra Covelia; April 19, 2008, 09:19.
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                    • #11
                      You forget: American Evangelicals aren't known for their knowledge of the Bible or Christianity in general.
                      The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                      The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                      • #12
                        That tree is a shoo-in for the Charlie Brown Xmas Special LIVE! event.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MarkG
                          this is 10,000 years old?
                          No, but its roots are
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                          • #14
                            The discovery also shows that it was much warmer in the region at the time than had been thought previously, perhaps even warmer than today, he added.
                            Hmm...maybe them cavemen imported global warming too

                            helps explain the demise of ice age fauna - the temperatures were even higher than today and more rapid

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