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    Everybody's shutting their grain export markets, so it should be a good year this year for farmers in those countries that don't ban exports (US, Australia, NZ, Canada).

    From the FT...

    Biggest grain exporters halt foreign sales

    By Javier Blas in London, Isabel Gorst in Moscow and Lindsay Whipp in Tokyo

    Published: April 15 2008 19:04 | Last updated: April 16 2008 02:37

    The global food crisis intensified on Tuesday as Kazakhstan, one of the world’s biggest wheat exporters halted foreign sales and rice prices shot to a record high after Indonesia stopped its farmers from selling the grain abroad.

    In another sign of turmoil, a big food company in Japan, Nihon Shokuhin Kako, said high corn prices had forced it to buy cheaper genetically modified corn for the first time, breaking a social, though not legal, taboo and signalling that opposition to GM foods could weaken in the face of record food prices.

    Meanwhile, fresh wheat export curbs in Kazakhstan, the world’s fifth largest exporter, and the rice bans in Indonesia, threaten to trigger bans in other food exporting countries, which will now face much higher demand from importing countries.

    Hussein Allidina, at Morgan Stanley in New York, said pressure for export bans was likely to increase elsewhere as developing countries suffering high inflation tried to combat rising local prices by cutting back on exports of agriculture commodities.

    Indonesia – which joins Vietnam, Egypt, China, Cambodia and India in banning foreign sales – was expected to export the grain this year due to a bumper crop. Corn futures prices in Chicago last week hit a record $6.16 a bushel, up 30 per cent in the past three months.

    Indonesia’s export ban boosted the price of rice futures in Chicago to a all-time high of $22.17 per 100 pounds, up 63 per cent since January. Wheat prices moved higher to $9.11 a bushel and traders warned prices could rise further as the Kazakhstan ban together with restrictions in Russia, Ukraine and Argentina have closed a third of the global wheat market.

    Additional reporting by John Aglionby in Jakarta
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

  • #2
    Pity here in the US so many farmers have been subsidized/put out of the farming biz due to set aside programs.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • #3
      Do you care more that farmers are going to make more money, or that some people may not have enough to eat?
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #4
        If you're asking whether farmers should feel ashamed for selling into this market at this price, I would answer no.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
          Pity here in the US so many farmers have been subsidized/put out of the farming biz due to set aside programs.
          Yes, it is a pity. On the other hand, there are still quite a few independents.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Can we please stop paying them to be useless tits now?
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanS
              If you're asking whether farmers should feel ashamed for selling into this market at this price, I would answer no.
              No. I was asking whether you cared more that some farmers will enjoy a windfall or that millions of the planet's most vulnerable people face food shortages and increased poverty.

              Not that I think anything can be done about it. We're already too far gone.
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #8
                I would neither wish the most vulnerable people to face shortages and increased poverty nor farmers to receive a price for their produce that discourages them to fully supply all needs.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  Farmers are bad people. They don't deserve to make a lot of money.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                    Can we please stop paying them to be useless tits now?
                    I hope so.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #11
                      In Argentina now from 10% to up to 44% (in the case of soy) of the revenue produced by grain exports goes to the government.

                      The gov sees it as an easy way to get extra money for the budget, and to keep food cheap inside the country.

                      It produced a big political crisis in march, with farmers blocking the roads of the country for 21 days and threatening with starving the cities.
                      I need a foot massage

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                      • #12
                        Yes, the Argentine government is screwing both its own farmers and the average Joe in developing countries, and sending off a nice chunk of change to farmers in countries with no export controls.

                        The policy is quite ridiculous.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DanS


                          I hope so.
                          HA! The lobbyists will now say the corporate welfare is needed now more then ever to boost production.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            (CNN) -- Riots from Haiti to Bangladesh to Egypt over the soaring costs of basic foods have brought the issue to a boiling point and catapulted it to the forefront of the world's attention, the head of an agency focused on global development said Monday.
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                            Bangladeshi demonstrators chant slogans against high food prices during weekend protests.

                            "This is the world's big story," said Jeffrey Sachs, director of Columbia University's Earth Institute.

                            "The finance ministers were in shock, almost in panic this weekend," he said on CNN's "American Morning," in a reference to top economic officials who gathered in Washington. "There are riots all over the world in the poor countries ... and, of course, our own poor are feeling it in the United States."

                            World Bank President Robert Zoellick has said the surging costs could mean "seven lost years" in the fight against worldwide poverty.

                            "While many are worrying about filling their gas tanks, many others around the world are struggling to fill their stomachs, and it is getting more and more difficult every day," Zoellick said late last week in a speech opening meetings with finance ministers. Video Watch what world leaders are doing to solve the problem »

                            "The international community must fill the at least $500 million food gap identified by the U.N.'s World Food Programme to meet emergency needs," he said. "Governments should be able to come up with this assistance and come up with it now."

                            The White House announced Monday evening that an estimated $200 million in emergency food aid would be made available through the U.S. Agency for International Development.

                            "This additional food aid will address the impact of rising commodity prices on U.S. emergency food aid programs, and be used to meet unanticipated food aid needs in Africa and elsewhere," the White House said in a news release.
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                            "In just two months," Zoellick said in his speech, "rice prices have skyrocketed to near historical levels, rising by around 75 percent globally and more in some markets, with more likely to come. In Bangladesh, a 2-kilogram bag of rice ... now consumes about half of the daily income of a poor family."

                            The price of wheat has jumped 120 percent in the past year, he said -- meaning that the price of a loaf of bread has more than doubled in places where the poor spend as much as 75 percent of their income on food.

                            "This is not just about meals forgone today or about increasing social unrest. This is about lost learning potential for children and adults in the future, stunted intellectual and physical growth," Zoellick said.

                            Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, also spoke at the joint IMF-World Bank spring meeting.

                            "If food prices go on as they are today, then the consequences on the population in a large set of countries ... will be terrible," he said.

                            He added that "disruptions may occur in the economic environment ... so that at the end of the day most governments, having done well during the last five or 10 years, will see what they have done totally destroyed, and their legitimacy facing the population destroyed also."

                            In Haiti, the prime minister was kicked out of office Saturday, and hospital beds are filled with wounded following riots sparked by food prices. Video Watch Haitians riot over food prices »

                            The World Bank announced a $10 million grant from the United States for Haiti to help the government assist poor families.

                            In Egypt, rioters have burned cars and destroyed windows of numerous buildings as police in riot gear have tried to quell protests.

                            Images from Bangladesh and Mozambique tell a similar story.

                            In the United States and other Western nations, more and more poor families are feeling the pinch. In recent days, presidential candidates have paid increasing attention to the cost of food, often citing it on the stump.

                            The issue is also fueling a rising debate over how much the rising prices can be blamed on ethanol production. The basic argument is that because ethanol comes from corn, the push to replace some traditional fuels with ethanol has created a new demand for corn that has thrown off world food prices.

                            Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, has called using food crops to create ethanol "a crime against humanity."

                            "We've been putting our food into the gas tank -- this corn-to-ethanol subsidy which our government is doing really makes little sense," said Columbia University's Sachs.

                            Former President Clinton, at a campaign stop for his wife in Pennsylvania over the weekend, said, "Corn is the single most inefficient way to produce ethanol because it uses a lot of energy and because it drives up the price of food."

                            Some environmental groups reject the focus on ethanol in examining food prices.

                            "The contrived food vs. fuel debate has reared its ugly head once again," the Renewable Fuels Association says on its Web site, adding that "numerous statistical analyses have demonstrated that the price of oil -- not corn prices or ethanol production -- has the greatest impact on consumer food prices because it is integral to virtually every phase of food production, from processing to packaging to transportation."

                            Analysts agree the cost of fuel is among the reasons for the skyrocketing prices.

                            Another major reason is rising demand, particularly in places in the midst of a population boom, such as China and India.

                            Also, said Sachs, "climate shocks" are damaging food supply in parts of the world. "You add it all together: Demand is soaring, supply has been cut back, food has been diverted into the gas tank. It's added up to a price explosion."




                            ACK!
                            Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DanS
                              I would neither wish the most vulnerable people to face shortages and increased poverty nor farmers to receive a price for their produce that discourages them to fully supply all needs.
                              It's not automatically true that you can have both, say for example that a significant portion of agricultural produce fetched a higher price for non-food uses, such that some of the world's population could not afford to maintain minimal nutrition.

                              What if you had to make that choice?
                              Only feebs vote.

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