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    Basically 18-20 years are malleable kids who the military exploits by tricking them into the military, they just do what they are told because they can't think for themselves:



    Blog entry from NYRA's President, Stefan Muller:
    Why Candice Lightner isn’t helping to prevent drunk driving

    On Monday morning, NYRA’s executive director, Alex Koroknay-Palicz, appeared on Fox News’s Mike and Juliet Show. Joining him in a panel discussion of the drinking age was Candice Lightner, founder of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Since most of the panel was unreceptive to the idea of a lower drinking age, Alex broached discussion of the fact that members of the military who are under 21 cannot drink. Ms. Lightner responded by saying:

    “It [the brain of 18-year-olds] isn’t developed, and that’s exactly why the draft age is 18, because these kids are malleable. They will follow the leader, they don’t think for themselves and they are the last ones I want to say ‘here’s a gun, and here’s a beer.’ They are not adults; that’s why they’re in the military. They are not adults.”

    Not only is this comment insensitive to the members of the military who are mature enough for the discipline and responsibility they must take on, and insensitive to the many 18- to 21-year-olds who could be forced to go overseas and potentially die if the draft were to be reinstated, but it is also self-contradictory. MADD, and Lightner herself, have been making us think for years that teenagers are deliberately irresponsible with alcohol and that, if given the freedom to drink, would disregard the sensibilities imparted upon them and use the freedom recklessly. Now we are to believe that people under 21 will, in fact, do whatever they are told? In typical fashion, NYRA’s opponents are having us believe that teenagers are at once rebellious and malleable, at once recklessly independent and firmly under the thumbs of their parents and elders.

    Whether or not one agrees with the draft or with the military enlistment age of 18, America considers 18-year-olds mature enough to die for their country, voluntarily or involuntarily, and they do so while suffering criticisms of their adulthood and their maturity like Ms. Lightner’s. In addition, whether or not one agrees with the current conflicts engaging the US military, everyone should realize it is both detrimental and inaccurate to make such insinuations about those involved in these conflicts who are willing to make so many sacrificies. However, Ms. Lightner’s comments are hardly the first such insult to these members of the military and others their age who take on enormous responsibility but are not granted the respect and privileges they deserve in return, including the privilege to responsibly enjoy an alcoholic beverage when finished with their work. Those who serve in the military provide just one set of evidence that people under 21 are capable of full adult maturity and responsibility. Many others are available by looking at the vast responsibilities taken on by this age group in homes, institutions of higher learning and the work force. What leads young people of any specific age to be irresponsible with alcohol is the social construct around alcohol that makes it a forbidden fruit until age 21 and a reasonable indulgence after that age, a social construct MADD seeks to perpetuate at all costs. This mentality makes it nearly impossible to teach young people to drink responsibly, and makes it likely that one’s first drink will be in a social and somewhat reckless setting at best and an underground and secretive one at worst. For more information, of course, see our website at http://www.youthrights.org/drinkingage.php.

    If MADD, as its name suggests, truly wants to prevent drunk driving, which is undoubtedly a noble goal, they are barking up the wrong tree in seeking to simply prevent access to alcohol by those under 21. This doesn’t prevent binge drinking or drunk driving by those over 21, which is still shockingly rampant in America, and is often ineffective in preventing these ills in those under 21, who can and do find ways around the law. Instead, MADD should turn to one of its original goals which still graces its logo, education. Alcohol responsibility, and not alcohol abstinence, should be taught to those younger than 21, and the drinking age should be lowered to an age considered reasonable by the rest of the civilized world. The message coming out of MADD should be that drunk driving at any age is absolutely unacceptable. As soon as this becomes MADD’s sole message and mission, I will support them wholeheartedly and unashamedly. However, the witch hunt against those supporting a lower drinking age simply perpetuates age discrimination and hurts the much-needed goal of eliminating drunk driving both by distracting MADD from its original mission and by preventing real alcohol responsibility.
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  • #2
    The legal drinking age should be made 50. That's about when people finally are mature enough to not abuse it, in the 50th percentile.
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    • #3
      Teh legal drinking age should be 16
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        You only made this thread to show us you were on TV again.

        ACK!
        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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        • #5
          She's right on. 18-20s are teh stupid.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • #6
            The legal drinking age should be whenever a kid is old enough to ask for it, and pay for it. And then everyone should be smart enough to just not drink alcohol at all.

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            • #7
              Basically 18-20 years are malleable kids who the military exploits by tricking them into the military, they just do what they are told because they can't think for themselves:
              When I think of all those 18-20 year old kids tricked into going to college, I shed a tear

              Stop preying on our children academia
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Patroklos
                When I think of all those 18-20 year old kids tricked into going to college, I shed a tear

                Stop preying on our children academia
                It's not as bad as you think, Pat. Most 18-20 year old kids only go to college for the beer parties.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zkribbler


                  It's not as bad as you think, Pat. Most 18-20 year old kids only go to college for the beer parties.
                  And their parents make them for insurance and tax purposes.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tuberski
                    You only made this thread to show us you were on TV again.

                    ACK!


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                    Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                    When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                    • #11
                      Spiffor
                      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                      • #12
                        I'm with you on this one, Ozzy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LordShiva
                          Teh legal drinking age should be 16
                          I'd vote for 16 for beer and 18 for the hard stuff. Telling people their legal adults at 18 but can't buy beer until they're 21 is insulting. **** MADD they're all a bunch of fanatics anyway.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            For all of the bigot Netram's attempts to claim "birth tours" were a rampant practice only 30 such cases could be identified in the state of Florida since last year.

                            As always certain people are attempting to portray a few isolated cases as some how a daily occurrence. It just isn't so.

                            What's more the article states:

                            Most women stay with friends or relatives and pay out of pocket, usually $4,000 in doctors' fees and $3,800 for hospital fees.
                            When a side has to resort to lies then you know they don't have a case.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              The drinking age should be 16.

                              The driving age, OTOH, should be 35.
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