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    Not really news anymore, but it is getting ridiculous. The top fifth income families take home more than 7x what the bottom fifth do in almost half the states now. Do we even have a middle class? I think we just have less poor class.



    As income gap widens, recession fears grow

    Incomes fell for poor and stagnated for middle-class families since late 1990s, making it tougher for them to weather economic downturn.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Poor and middle-class families are entering the recession in a precarious situation due in part to declining or stagnant income growth, a study released Wednesday has found.

    Incomes, on average, have declined by 2.5% among the bottom fifth of families since the late 1990s, while inching up by just 1.3% for those in the middle fifth of households, according to an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Economic Policy Institute, two liberal think tanks.

    The wealthiest slice of Americans, however, saw their incomes rise by 9%.

    The average income of the bottom fifth of families was $18,116; the middle fifth, $50,434; and the wealthiest fifth, $132,131.

    Unlike what happened during the economic boom of the 1990s, lower- and middle-class families did not share in the prosperity of recent years, the report found. In fact, the United States has had its longest jobless recovery and slowest rate of payroll growth during this decade.

    "We're worried about the impact of the downturn on the families whose incomes haven't recovered from the last recession," said Jared Bernstein, Economic Policy Institute senior economist and co-author of the report.

    Wages have not kept up with inflation, families have loaded up on debt and homeowners have seen the value of their largest asset decline, he said. The situation will only get worse during the economic downturn.

    "Families are uniquely economically exposed to the costs of recession," he continued. "As we head into a recession, their incomes will take a further hit."

    The income gap between the rich and the rest of the population is widening. In 22 states, the top fifth of families made more than seven times what the poorest fifth took home, according to the report. In the late 1980s, only one state - Louisiana - had such a spread. Meanwhile, in more than two-thirds of the country, the wealthiest saw their income grow more than twice as fast as the middle-class over the past two decades.

    State governments, however, can step in and help mitigate this growing inequality and insecurity, said Elizabeth McNichol, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the report's co-author. For instance, they can extend the amount of time workers receive benefits during an economic downturn. Also, they can offer or improve support services, such as child care, health insurance and transportation services.

    Governments can also put resources into public services and infrastructure projects, which will help create jobs and stimulate the economy, said James Galbraith, professor at the University of Texas at Austin and income gap specialist. The federal government may also have to funnel more money to the states so they can maintain services at a time when tax revenues may decline.

    The study is based on U.S. Census Bureau income data that have been adjusted for inflation, the impact of federal taxes and cash value of government subsidies. It does not factor in capital gains or losses. It compares data from 2004 to 2006 with that of 1987 to 1989 and 1998 to 2000
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    The gap is irrelevant as long as the income for the bottom increased enough to still provide a decent living (I don't know off the top of my head if this is the case).

    Why do you care how much more someone else might have if you are fine? I know I don't.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Patroklos
      Why do you care how much more someone else might have if you are fine? I know I don't.
      Egalitarianism
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      • #4
        Is there something preventing me from increasing my wealth? Ummmm.... Nope
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Patroklos
          Is there something preventing me from increasing my wealth? Ummmm.... Nope
          delusion
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          • #6


            Perhaps thats what keeps you from attaining wealth Kid (the delusion that you can't), but I am doing just fine.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Patroklos


              Perhaps thats what keeps you from attaining wealth Kid (the delusion that you can't), but I am doing just fine.
              I'm sure in your mind you are becoming very wealthy, but that's not reality.
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              • #8
                I have a bit of a problem with their choice of time period, given that the relevant issue is not the gap but the incomes of the lower 1/5 dropping by several percent. I'd guess late 90s was a bit of a peak there, but who knows.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snoopy369
                  I have a bit of a problem with their choice of time period, given that the relevant issue is not the gap but the incomes of the lower 1/5 dropping by several percent. I'd guess late 90s was a bit of a peak there, but who knows.

                  Hardly a peak. Income for the lowest fifth has been declining since the 70s. The 90s were slightly different from the long run trand.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kidicious
                    Income for the lowest fifth has been declining since the 70s.
                    ? Proof?
                    (In Canada, the income of the lowest quintile have grown faster than the CDN Consumer Price Index).

                    Which is how, I would measure if the poor where poorer.

                    (We had the same discussion 2 month ago, with BK)
                    bleh

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                    • #11
                      As long as I can do want I want I am fine.

                      What bugs me is that someone like Warren Buffet has 62 billion dollars and some people cant even buy food...That should'nt be possible in my book.

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                      • #12
                        I don't see the widening of the gap between rich & poor as a good thing. There's a pretty big gap as it is.

                        Some of this is due to tax policy. Some of it is the (international) market. Some of it is culture/social (choices that have financial consequences). Some of it is failures in education. And I'm sure I've missed some other causes.

                        I'd like to see changes to the tax policy. I'd like to see changes to education such that kids can get decent jobs, even if they aren't going to go off to a 4-year liberal arts college. I'd like to see changes to certain policies regarding the availability of (and education concerning) birth control. And I'd love to see some cultural changes with regard to spending beyond one's means - and this includes rich people who like tax cuts but not budget cuts.

                        In the meantime, hopefully the charitable contributions we've made and will make this year help.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CrONoS


                          ? Proof?
                          (In Canada, the income of the lowest quintile have grown faster than the CDN Consumer Price Index).

                          Which is how, I would measure if the poor where poorer.

                          (We had the same discussion 2 month ago, with BK)
                          Actually it's almost the same as 1979. There's less than 1000 difference. I thought is was less actually. It probably will be next year. Almost surely it will be.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by snoopy369
                            I have a bit of a problem with their choice of time period, given that the relevant issue is not the gap but the incomes of the lower 1/5 dropping by several percent. I'd guess late 90s was a bit of a peak there, but who knows.
                            Why would that matter? Are you saying cost of living peaked too so it's all good if poor people make less?

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                            Bail out the idiots who made the mess, devalue the currency, and lets all take the dive for them...

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                            • #15
                              It's a good thing I plan to be in teh top 1% eventually
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                              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
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                              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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