75 years of freedom.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Patroklos
So Freedom = Prohibition

Kid

Are you saying you think Progress = Prohibition?

[Patroklos]

No.

The Progressive movement or rather remnants of it were largely behind Prohibition.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, let's go back.

Kid said: Progress = Freedom
You said that mean Kid believes: Prohibition = Freedom

Which means Prohibition = Progress, naturally, since you thought they were equatable.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Patroklos
No.

The Progressive movement or rather remnants of it were largely behind Prohibition.

Just saying... Kid didn't use the term "Progressive", just "progress".

[Imran Siddiqui]

Anyways:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

The main force for prohibition came from pietistic Protestants, who comprised majorities in the Republican party in the North, and the Democratic party in the South. Catholics and German-Americans were prohibition's main detractors; however, German-Americans were discredited by World War I, and their protests were ignored.

Although it was highly controversial, Prohibition was widely supported by diverse groups. Progressives believed that it would improve society and the Ku Klux Klan strongly supported its strict enforcement [2] as generally did women, southerners, those living in rural areas, and African-Americans.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos
So Freedom = Prohibition

Kid

Let's put it this way. Freedom isn't being a drunk.

[Patroklos]

Just saying... Kid didn't use the term "Progressive", just "progress".

He said that when I pointed out Progressives were behind it.

[Kidlicious]

The answer is not no. In a free society citizens are not free to do whatever they want. Shouldn't be a shock to anyone to hear that.

[Dinner]

The prohibition or "dry" movement began in the 1840s, spearheaded by pietistic religious denominations, especially the Methodists. The late 1800s saw the temperance movement broaden its focus from abstinence to all behavior and institutions related to alcohol consumption. Preachers such as Reverend Mark A. Matthews linked liquor-dispensing saloons with prostitution.

Some successes were registered in the 1850s, including Maine's total ban on the manufacture and sale of liquor, adopted in 1851. However, the movement soon lost strength, and prohibition was not a major political issue during the American Civil War (1861-1865). It revived in the 1880s, with the Woman's Christian Temperance Union and the Prohibition Party.

After the war, the Women's Christian Temperance Union was founded in 1873. The organization did not promote moderation or temperance but rather prohibition. One of its methods to achieve that goal was education. It was believed that if it could "get to the children" it could create a dry sentiment leading to prohibition. As it turned out, nationwide Prohibition was enacted (by the 18th Amendment) before nationwide womens' suffrage was (by the 19th Amendment).
"Who does not love wine, wife and song, will be a fool for his lifelong!" — a vigorous 1873 assertion of cultural values of German-American immigrants
"Who does not love wine, wife and song, will be a fool for his lifelong!" — a vigorous 1873 assertion of cultural values of German-American immigrants

In 1881, Kansas became the first state to outlaw alcoholic beverages in its Constitution, with Carrie Nation gaining notoriety for enforcing the provision herself by walking into saloons, scolding customers, and using her hatchet to destroy bottles of liquor. Nation recruited ladies as The Carry Nation Prohibition Group which Nation also led. Other activists enforced the cause by entering saloons, singing, praying, and urging saloon keepers to stop selling alcohol.[4] Many other states, especially in the South, also enacted prohibition, along with many individual counties. Hostility to saloons and their political influence was characteristic of the Progressive Era. Supported by the anti-German mood of World War I, the Anti-Saloon League, through intense lobbying, pushed the Constitutional amendment through Congress and the states, and it went into effect in 1920.

Prohibition was an important force in state and local politics from the 1840s through the 1930s. The political forces involved were ethnoreligious in character, as demonstrated by numerous historical studies.[5] Prohibition was demanded by the "dries" -- primarily pietistic Protestant denominations, especially the Methodists, Northern Baptists, Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Disciples, Congregationalists, Quakers, and Scandinavian Lutherans. They identified saloons as politically corrupt and drinking as a personal sin. They were opposed by the "wets" -- primarily liturgical Protestants (Episcopalians, German Lutherans) and Roman Catholics, who denounced the idea that the government should define morality.[6] Even in the wet stronghold of New York City there was an active prohibition movement, led by Norwegian church groups and African-American labor activists who believed that Prohibition would benefit workers, especially African-Americans. Tea merchants and soda fountain manufacturers generally supported Prohibition, thinking a ban on alcohol would increase sales of their products.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

As is usual Patty gets everything wrong. Are you ever right?

[Sarxis]

I praise God for giving us the chance to be free from religious bigotry and fallacy!

I still don't like beer though.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Patroklos
"Progressive" liberal elements conducting grand social engineering experiments at the expense of sanity and freedom

It was the most conservative (I'd say repressed) protestant sects which pushed for Prohibition. Just read the wiki article I linked.

[Whoha]

also look at the pictures that are in the article and linked to, they are great as well.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Elok
...er, I thought prohibition was associated more strongly with the nascent feminist movement, insofar as some men tended to take the money they were supposed to use to support their wives and spend it on booze instead. Then they'd come home drunk and beat the little woman for not having dinner on the table. Religious folk helped, but then they also boosted the civil rights and abolition movements, so...?

This sounds good, better than any reply I could have come up with.

[Perfection]

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