Tazing Incident Thread #344

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Watch the video and listen to the audio, that's what they tried to do first after repeated and surprisingly polite verbal requests (which any court will recognize as lawful orders) to hang up the phone. The officer finally reaches in, but the video is too dark to make out how the driver physically responded though it was rapidly downhill from there. Any aggressive motion from a suspect is not well received by police, so this guy was doomed from the moment he first said, "No." to hanging up.

Edit: Grammar was off; presented different meaning from what I intended.

I watched it again, the man is outside his car on the phone so I dont know where the "cop reaching in" occurs. The cop does not say he is under arrest therefore telling him to hang up the phone is not necessarily a lawful command. If the cop had informed him that he was under arrest, or if the man was not complying with commands that were pertinant to the pursuit of his duties as a police officer ie trying to give him a breathalyzer or such, then telling him to turn off the phone was lawful.

[Ecthy]

Spencer, in the universe of some of the posters here, ANY order given by a cop must be followed instantly OR ELSE. It's not like the public "authorities" were to justify themselves in front of the citizens

[SpencerH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tazing Incident Thread #344

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't believe you have a right to call your lawyer when you are pulled over for DUI. After you get to the police station you should be able to make a call.

That would be true once you've been informed that you're under arrest. Prior to that point the cops have the edge since if things deteriorate they can claim in court that your use of the phone interfered with the performance of their duties but they have to be more circumspect. You dont wave your rights just because a cop stops you. There is nothing illegal about your use of a phone (while stopped with the engine off in those states with laws against cell phones) during a police stop.

Given their restraint, I think its likely that the cops had already informed this asshat that he was under arrest but its not clear whether thats so.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
lol typical cops.... 4 cops got the man face down on the floor and then they started the multiple taserings. Even given the arrogance of the driver, countering with a brew of cowardice, sadism and laziness doesn't improve my opinion of cops much.

Hmmmm. Since I dont know you I dont know if this is simply a troll or not.

The cops were very professional IMO (assuming he had been told he was under arrest). In his stupor, he was clearly resisting and the cops have every right (and a responsibility) to subdue him with minimal force. Thats what they did. Once he complied, they stopped tazering him finished handcuffing him.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Spencer, in the universe of some of the posters here, ANY order given by a cop must be followed instantly OR ELSE. It's not like the public "authorities" were to justify themselves in front of the citizens

Its funny, I've never understood that attitude from americans (ie unthinking compliance with authority). I've had some look at me like I've grown a second head when I mention a few incidents I've had with police who think they've been "annointed" when they put on a badge.

NB: Most cops I've run into have been professional while doing their job and they have my respect.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by SpencerH


I watched it again, the man is outside his car on the phone so I dont know where the "cop reaching in" occurs.

Not sure what video you're watching here: The Bentley driver is the ONLY person in the video NOT wearing a uniform. He's wearing a white shirt which you see at 0:25-0:26 when he begins to be pulled out of the car and chucks something out, which bounces off a second officer and comes to rest behind the rear passenger tire. The officer reaches in at 0:20.

[unscratchedfoot]

Originally posted by SpencerH


Hmmmm. Since I dont know you I dont know if this is simply a troll or not.

The cops were very professional IMO (assuming he had been told he was under arrest). In his stupor, he was clearly resisting and the cops have every right (and a responsibility) to subdue him with minimal force. Thats what they did. Once he complied, they stopped tazering him finished handcuffing him.

You shouldn't consider everyone who doesn't exactly comply with your opinions and beliefs to be 'trolls'. Accusing everyone of trolling is a symptom of too much time spent on the internet preaching your opinions.

About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means. You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism. The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen. And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Acquitted*

[Kidlicious]

Yea, I didn't notice that the guy threw something at the officers at first. What a dumb arrogant *******. Still I don't see any reason for the tazering when they had him on the ground already. Maybe the guy was huge and muscular, that would be a reason in my opinion.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means.

While that is a reason, it is not the only one.

You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism.

Wrong. The only thing that might be an issue is that perhaps they could have given him more time to finish the call. However, if he had been informed prior to the video starting that he was under arrest (which is very likely as there are multiple squads there), the cops have no need to wait.

The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

Wrong. Perhaps you should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. Tasers do not effect pacemakers or otherwise harmfully effect people with heart conditions other than the stress caused during deployment. Additionally, the taser was deployed in a drive stun manor (the shock only goes between the two prongs on the unit and is only effective as a pain compliance weapon rather than a destablizer), which is far different than what is typically seen.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen.

While I might be over stepping my actual influence here, I think that alot (or at least some) of the understanding of such videos on poly comes from me, and I have gone through the taser course.

And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.

Wrong. It was three times. Five seconds each.

[unscratchedfoot]

Originally posted by Donegeal

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means.

While that is a reason, it is not the only one.

You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism.

Wrong. The only thing that might be an issue is that perhaps they could have given him more time to finish the call. However, if he had been informed prior to the video starting that he was under arrest (which is very likely as there are multiple squads there), the cops have no need to wait. You mean the 4 cops had no need to wait to force him face-first onto the asphalt so they could taser him over & over? If that actually was true, police protocol would need a major overhaul and tasers banned from use by cops.

The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

Wrong. Perhaps you should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. Tasers do not effect pacemakers or otherwise harmfully effect people with heart conditions other than the stress caused during deployment. Additionally, the taser was deployed in a drive stun manor (the shock only goes between the two prongs on the unit and is only effective as a pain compliance weapon rather than a destablizer), which is far different than what is typically seen. I've heard the exact opposite to this from more reliable sources than the off-topic forum of a PC game website.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen.

While I might be over stepping my actual influence here, I think that alot (or at least some) of the understanding of such videos on poly comes from me, and I have gone through the taser course.

And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.

Wrong. It was three times. Five seconds each. The audio of the video is poor enough to make the actual number of taserings uncertain. I get the feeling that you are getting such a kick out of using the word 'wrong' that you had to add this just for extra buzz.

[Wiglaf]

Wrong. Perhaps you should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. Tasers do not effect pacemakers or otherwise harmfully effect people with heart conditions other than the stress caused during deployment.

No offense, but you're a cop, not a doctor. Actually I hope that offends you, you who talk out of your ass. You have no qualifications to tell anyone that administering electrical shock to the point of temporarily incapacitating someone can't agitate a potentially fatal heart condition

There is nothing illegal about your use of a phone (while stopped with the engine off in those states with laws against cell phones) during a police stop.

This is like saying there is nothing illegal about walking, so therefore it's not illegal to walk on top of a dying elderly woman until she is crushed under your weight.

Using your phone is NOT OKAY when it INTERFERES with a POLICE OFFICER DUTY DUTY

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


Not sure what video you're watching here: The Bentley driver is the ONLY person in the video NOT wearing a uniform. He's wearing a white shirt which you see at 0:25-0:26 when he begins to be pulled out of the car and chucks something out, which bounces off a second officer and comes to rest behind the rear passenger tire. The officer reaches in at 0:20.

Yeah, in retrospect I think my interpretation of the guy outside the car is ****. I'm blaming the bad picture though. I didnt realize the car door was open, I just thought he was standing behind a cop so we couldnt see him clearly. I'm not sure if he chucks the object, which I assume is the phone, or if its knocked out of his hands.

In any case, the situation has clearly changed from what I thought might have been going on at that time.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot


You shouldn't consider everyone who doesn't exactly comply with your opinions and beliefs to be 'trolls'. Accusing everyone of trolling is a symptom of too much time spent on the internet preaching your opinions.

About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means. You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism. The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen. And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.

Thanks for that. Now I have my answer.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Yea, I didn't notice that the guy threw something at the officers at first. What a dumb arrogant *******. Still I don't see any reason for the tazering when they had him on the ground already. Maybe the guy was huge and muscular, that would be a reason in my opinion.

They tazered him cos he was not allowing himself to be cuffed i.e. he was resisting arrest. Its pretty much SOP nowadays and causes a lot less injury to all parties than the previous methods of trying to control a drunk, belligerent, idiot.