Oerdin knows... Salmon Fishing!

[Lancer]

The ocean surf comes in here 10 and 20 feet high at times. The white water in the surf is incredible. Strange that there's no oxygen in such conditions. With global warming weather the surf has been rougher than ever this year and that means more oxygen yet.

Oerdin, don't ocean plants produce oxygen like land based?

[Dinner]

The green ones do.

[Lancer]

That's it then, green dye.



I really should make an 'ask Lancer' thread.

[snoopy369]

Not all things called "algae" are plants (blue-green algae are cyanobacteria, for example) ...

[Vanguard]

Originally posted by Zkribbler Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water containing fish that have been planted therein by the State; provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season when and the conditions under which the different species of fish may be taken.

ARTICLE VI, Clause 2

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

[Kidlicious]

This sucks

[Julian Delphiki]

No one has yet said that this is fake, not happening and not needed and damn those green hippies? I'm disappointed .

[Dinner]

Well, Patty hasn't posted yet so there is still hope Julian.

The facts are that ocean deep zones are real and growing, over fishing has has caused a lot of species to collapse (though Salmon is a popular fish and so gets more attention then most), fish farms haven't been regulated nearly enough so sea lice and diseases from farms routinely gut wild populations, over development and over diversion of water for farms & cities, water pollution is a huge and growing problem, and who knows what else are all contributing to the problem.

The United States needs much tougher water pollution standards to end the ocean dead zones, to protect water sheds, and fish catch limits need to be set by scientists instead of industry lobby groups. I'm afraid we are now reaping what we have sewn.

[Julian Delphiki]

I know that most sea areas are in terrible condition, one of the worst is Baltic sea in which coast i live..

Too much phosphor causing oxygen deprivation and excess growth in blue-green algae (every summer problem nowadays) and new species 'migrating' (in ballast tanks). Newest threat to arrive is comb jelly which has been spreading extremely fast, and probably will continue to do so aided by extremely warm 'winter'.

Herrings have such high dioxin levels that they should really not be consumed, we got some special permit from EU to fish and sell them.. etc etc.

[Dinner]

Oh, Dioxins. I had forgotten about those. I recall several articles on them; aren't they mostly a biproduct of the plastics industry? Making plastics also makes dioxins which end up in the atmosphere and eventually in the water plus if you burn plastic then you also release dioxins.

Wasn't dioxin poisoning how the FSB attempted to assassinate/poison the Ukrainian President?

[Julian Delphiki]

I think the poison in question was dioxin.

Environmental campaigners describe dioxins as among the most dangerous toxins known.

It must be totally harmless if HIPPIES say THAT! Better than bird's milk!

Wiki entry of it is surprisingly lacking btw.

http://www.ourfood.com/Dioxin.html

Dioxin is since long time known as one of the strongest poisons which man is able to produce. It causes cancer of liver and lung, interferes in the immune system resulting in a predisposition to infectious diseases and embrional misgrowth.

At the beginning of the 20th century the production of chlorine splitting sodium chloride by Dow Chemical Midland,USA free chlorine could be used for many new compounds like pesticides, plastics such as PVC,chlorine bleaching of paper and many other sources. Dioxins are also built as unwanted side reactions during the production of chlorinated products.

When these new compounds are burned as waste, chlorine atoms combine with carbon resulting dioxins. Dioxin is also originated during combustion, mainly by heat under 780$^{o}$C It is therefore found in the atmosphere and in the fallout in rain. A main source of dioxin is used discarded motor oil and in some geological formations like kaolinite.

That was new to me.

[Dinner]

I do know dioxins last a very, very long time just like PCBs or compounds like DDT. And just like those other two chemicals they work their way into the food chain and concentrate towards the top.

[Lancer]

To get rid of them in a timely fashion we need to start burying dead people in subduction zones.

[Winston]

I just hope Datajack Franit skips by this thread without noticing.