Obama-Richardson

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As a typical Asian who's secretly all-White inside, I'm afraid Obama still hasn't pandered to my ethnic heritage nearly enough.

[Ecthy]

Speaking of running mates, who do you think would be more suitable for McCain - a true right winger to mobilize some voters from the end of the scope in swing states or another liberal - like, say, Ahnie - to grab some dem votes in the same swing states?

Do you think McCain will wait until the dem nomination for the front runner is through before he nominates his running mate? Then he can adjust his choice. Though either way I guess he'd stand better chances with a conservative running mate (the Mitt?) than another liberal.

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Now that I think about it, which would be a better name for the group?

Bananas for Obama
(Yellow on the outside, White on the inside, but then you have the whole "is it racist?" bit because Obama's from Africa...)

Twinkies for Obama
(As my mom tells me, there are no such things as gaysians. Would we want to confuse Asians with Gays?)

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[DarkCloud]

A black Presidential nominee and a Hispanic Veep nominee.... hmm... the Dems really are trying to let the Republicans steal this one, aren't they?

Well, Imran, if "african americans" turn out to vote in the numbers they have turned out in the primaries such a ticket might actually benefit the Democrats a great deal.

Remember, there are more registered democrats and democrat-sympathisers than republicans in the USofA... they just are usually too "lazy/stupid/alienated- take your pick" to actually turn out and vote. Arguably, Obama can mobilize this group to change its no-voting-profligate ways.

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I other news Hillary has a lying problem. She's been caught lying several times about her supposed experience this week. First was her claims to have had a part in the Northern Ireland peace deal (she had absolutely no part), then came her claims to have always been against NAFTA (reality she was a big public supporter with several pro-NAFTA speeches on record), and now she's trying to paint her 1996 trip to Bosnia as some sort of heroic dare devil thing where snippers were shooting at her. What's the truth? Watch this video of both her Bosnia trip and her current wild claims.

[MarkG]

That was Tuzzla she was referring to, not Tuzla
totally different situation

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I other news Hillary has a lying problem. She's been caught lying several times about her supposed experience this week. First was her claims to have had a part in the Northern Ireland peace deal (she had absolutely no part), then came her claims to have always been against NAFTA (reality she was a big public supporter with several pro-NAFTA speeches on record), and now she's trying to paint her 1996 trip to Bosnia as some sort of heroic dare devil thing where snippers were shooting at her. What's the truth? Watch this video of both her Bosnia trip and her current wild claims.

The words "The whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God" cannot be spoken by this lady, because she had's no ideal what it means.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
Yet another boring obama thread. Do you wankers have statues of obama in your bedrooms that you worship? And perhaps there's a mini-Obama next to your office computer so you can close the door and rub it at least once every hour.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Speaking of running mates, who do you think would be more suitable for McCain - a true right winger to mobilize some voters from the end of the scope in swing states or another liberal - like, say, Ahnie - to grab some dem votes in the same swing states?

Ahnie ain't eligible.

[Imran Siddiqui]

McCain-Liebermann

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
McCain-Liebermann

That makes a lot of sense! If McCain wants to run a centrist campaign, he couldn't come up with anyone better.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, if he wanted to piss off his base, he couldn't come up with anyone better either . While Liebermann is the right's favorite Democrat (ahem, Independant who votes with the Dems on leadership), he's not "one of us", so to speak.

Although, having Liebermann being the first person ever to run for VP on both the Democrat and Republican tickets would be quite fun.

[MarkG]

Clinton Says She ‘Misspoke’ About Dodging Sniper Fire

By PATRICK HEALY and KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: March 25, 2008

BLUE BELL, Pa. — As part of her argument that she has the best experience and instincts to deal with a sudden crisis as president, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton recently offered a vivid description of having to run across a tarmac to avoid sniper fire after landing in Bosnia as first lady in 1996.

Yet on Monday, Mrs. Clinton admitted that she “misspoke” about the episode — a concession that came after CBS News showed footage of her walking calmly across the tarmac with her daughter, Chelsea, and being greeted by dignitaries and a child.

The backpedaling was a rare instance of Mrs. Clinton’s acknowledging an error, and she did so on a sensitive issue: She has cited her “strength and experience” since the start of the presidential race, framing her 80 trips abroad as first lady as preparation for dealing with foreign affairs as president. That argument was behind her campaign’s “red phone” commercial, which cast her as best able to handle a crisis.

Mrs. Clinton corrected herself at a meeting with the Philadelphia Daily News editorial board; she did not explain why she had misspoken, but only admitted it and then offered a less dramatic description.

Mrs. Clinton said she had been told “that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire,” not that actual shots were being fired.

“So I misspoke,” she said.

Earlier Monday, Clinton advisers corrected the Bosnia anecdote, saying they did not want it to harm her credibility. One Clinton foreign policy adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity in exchange for being candid about her mistake, said that Mrs. Clinton had been “too loose” with her words and that she risked looking as if “she was trying to pump up a somewhat risky situation into a very dangerous one.”

In her most recent account, offered last week, Mrs. Clinton described an action-packed arrival in the Balkans.

“I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia,” she said, in remarks that aides described Monday as not being part of her prepared speech. “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

In interviews Monday, aides to Mrs. Clinton at the time of the trip, as well as an Associated Press photographer who was on the trip, said that she and others were briefed before landing about the possibility of sniper fire around the airport in Tuzla, Bosnia. None of the aides remembered actual sniper fire. Nor did the photographer, Doug Mills, who now works for The New York Times.

“I remember being told we were going into a war zone, but I don’t remember any commotion at the airport,” Mr. Mills said. “I don’t recall her running to cars. If that had happened, we would have made a picture of it.”

Maj. Gen. William Nash, who has since retired but was then the commander of United States troops in Bosnia and was at the Tuzla airport that day, said in an interview that there was no threat of sniper fire at the airport during Mrs. Clinton’s visit. He said she was gracious during her visit and took pictures with the soldiers, who were there to enforce the terms of the Dayton peace accord, signed five months earlier.

“She never had her head down,” General Nash said. “There was no sniper threat that I know of.”

Before Mrs. Clinton’s admission that she had misspoken, a spokesman for the campaign, Howard Wolfson, was asked Monday on a conference call with reporters to square her recent accounts with other evidence. In response, Mr. Wolfson referred to news accounts at the time that described the region as hostile.

He then added, “There is no question if you look at contemporaneous accounts that she was going to a potential combat zone, that she was on the front lines.”

Minutes later, when pressed to clarify his comment, Mr. Wolfson said news accounts made clear that the area in which she was landing was “a potential combat zone and was hazardous.”

He said that in her memoir, “Living History,” Mrs. Clinton wrote about sniper fire in the hills and “clearly meant to say that” when she brought it up last week. He said she had described the event many times the same way and that “in one instance, she said it slightly differently.”

In her comments Monday, Mrs. Clinton made a similar point, saying, “I didn’t say that in my book or other times.”

Mrs. Clinton had described the sniper fire in similar terms at least twice in recent weeks. She mentioned it on Feb. 29 in Waco, Tex., when she was rolling out her “red phone” commercial, recalling the trip to Bosnia and saying that the welcoming ceremony “had to be moved inside because of sniper fire.”

According to Mrs. Clinton’s public schedule for March 25, 1996, she arrived in Tuzla at 8:55 a.m. and was greeted by the acting president of Bosnia, Ejup Ganic; the United States ambassador, John Menzies; two senior United States military officials; an 8-year-old girl, whose name was redacted from the schedule for privacy reasons; and a seventh-grade class that had been “adopted by Germany.”

The first lady’s public schedule, which was among more than 11,000 pages released by the National Archives last week, lists the greeting ceremony at the Tuzla airport this way: “Ambassador Menzies intros HRC to greeters; 8-year-old Bosnian Girl Reads Poem to HRC; HRC greets 7th grade class.”

Later that day, Mrs. Clinton spoke at a show for about 500 troops. She was joined by the comedian Sinbad and the singer Sheryl Crow, both of whom performed for the troops, according to the schedule. Later that day, Mrs. Clinton and her entourage left for Aviano Air Base in Italy.

Sinbad challenged her account of sniper fire soon after he heard it more than a week ago, saying the scariest part of the trip for him was wondering where the next meal would come from. Sinbad is supporting Senator Barack Obama for president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin

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You just know she has no experience to speak of when she gets caught three times in a row trying to invent some experience out of thin air.