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    The Vatican is currently having discussions with the King of Saudi Arabia over mutual diplomatic recognition and the rights of religious minorities. The Vatican is demanding that Saudi Arabia allow the construction of at least one Church where Christians can publicly attend religious services. Currently Saudi law calls for publicly professing or practicing a religion other then Islam to be punished by the death penalty though the King has pardoned several people who would other wise have been put to death. Islamic fundamentalists are predictably outraged and are pointing out Mohammed's declaration that all nonMuslims in the Arabia peninsula must either convert, leave, or be killed.

    There are approximately 1.5 million Christians in Saudi Arabia mostly from the Philippines and Africa.

    Vatican-Saudi talks on churches
    The Vatican is holding talks with Saudi Arabia on building the first church in the kingdom, where some 1.5m Christians are not allowed to worship publicly.

    Archbishop Paul-Mounged el-Hachem, one of Pope Benedict XVI's most senior Middle East representatives, said the discussions had begun a few weeks ago.

    But the archbishop cautioned that the Vatican could not predict the outcome.

    The discussions come in the wake of King Abdullah's historic meeting with the Pope at the Vatican last November.

    A Catholic-Muslim Forum was also set up by the Pope two weeks ago to repair relations between the two faiths after the crisis caused by a speech he gave in Germany in 2006, in which he appeared to associate Islam with violence.

    'Reciprocity'

    The disclosure of talks between the Vatican and Saudi Arabia, which do not have diplomatic ties, came soon after the first Roman Catholic church in the Qatari capital, Doha, was opened in a service attended by 15,000 people.

    Archbishop Hachem, the Apostolic Nuncio to Kuwait, Qatar, Yemen, Bahrain and the UAE, who attended the inauguration, said he hoped there would soon be a similar church for the many Christians in neighbouring Saudi Arabia.

    If we manage to obtain authorisation for the construction of the first church, it will be an outcome of historic dimensions
    Father Federico Lombardi
    Spokesman for Pope Benedict

    "Discussions are under way to allow the construction of churches in the kingdom," he said.

    Although he made clear the outcome was uncertain, the archbishop added that a church in Saudi Arabia would be an important sign of "reciprocity" between Muslims and Christians.

    The Vatican has noted that Muslims are free to worship openly in Europe and demands religious freedom as a condition for the opening of diplomatic relations.

    About a million Catholics, many of them migrant workers from the Philippines, live in Saudi Arabia.

    They are allowed to worship in private, mostly in people's homes, but worship in public places and outward signs of faith, such as crucifixes, are forbidden.

    The last Christian priest was expelled from the kingdom in 1985.

    Christians complain that rules are not clear and that the Saudi religious authorities, who enforce the kingdom's conservative brand of Islam, Wahhabism, sometimes crack down on legitimate congregations.

    The authorities cite a tradition of the Prophet Muhammad that only Islam can be practised in the Arabian Peninsula.

    A spokesman for Pope Benedict, Father Federico Lombardi, said: "If we manage to obtain authorisation for the construction of the first church, it will be an outcome of historic dimensions."
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  • #2
    SA is authoritarian, not totalitarian.
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    • #3
      If you kill people because of their religion then you are totalitarian.
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      • #4
        No, if you kill people because of their religion you are simply denying their right to religious freedom and acting like a brute. If you round all people of a religion up and shoot them, then send your tanks out to conquer neighboring countries to purge the infidels from them, and so on until you've cleansed the world of their kind or been stopped by a more sane country, and all the while you've been subverting all societal institutions (up to and including the Girl Scouts) into passive mouthpieces of the state--THEN you're totalitarian. Don't cheapen the term.
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        • #5
          Point taken. I still think that Saudi Arabia with it's absolute monarchy, state control of the media, religious repression (including executing nonmuslims), and history of exporting both radical Islam and terrorism qualifies.
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          • #6
            I hereby declare Elok's point to be valid.

            Careful with categories. No matter how much you hate them, always think twice before honouring Hitler and Stalin by putting them into one class with petty c21 dictators.

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            • #7
              Indeed. But SA is a pretty fuc*ed up place.
              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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