Kiss me sister!

[KrazyHorse]

The Amish are a relativley large population esp in the sense of that the quoted source, since many of the children of with brith defects tend to survive and breed. Thus the rate of birth defects are higher than in a more primitve and smaller community where the bad allels are eliminated more quickly.

OMFG YOU ARE RETARDED

You ****ing moron. By your reasoning the larger the genetic pool the more birth defects. You ****ing idiot.

The Amish having a fairly large community DECREASES THE RATE OF LOSS OF GENETIC DIVERSITY, YOU ****

FILTERING OUT OF HARMFUL ALLELES IS A BRAKE ON THE HARM OF LOSS OF GENETIC DIVERSITY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT A SMALLER POPULATION LEADS TO HEALTHIER CHILDREN

Holy ****ing **** you are a moron, sir.

[KrazyHorse]

Seriously, Hera, you need to stop RIGHT NOW before you embarrass yourself further. ****ing idiot.

[KrazyHorse]

To break it down so that a simpleton like you can follow:

1) Repeated inbreeding causes a loss of genetic diversity, which means that further inbreeding has higher rates of harmful repeated alleles than first gen inbreeding at the same familial distance would otherwise suggest, however:

2) What the Amish practice, which is generally 1st or more usually second cousin inbreeding leads to a very slow loss of genetic diversity. The migration out of the pool of alleles happens on the scale of many generations, not just 1. Repeated sibling inbreeding leads to very quick loss of diversity, on the other hand

3) What slows the rate of increase of birth defects further is a filtering process whereby severely handicapped children do not breed

(2) and (3) explain why first gen sibling incest is actually far more harmful than multigenerational inbreeding as practiced by the Amish

Therefore, (4) your initial idiotic statement that 2/11 was HIGHER than the rate you'd expect with close 1st generational incest (which is what we've been discussing) is RE-TAR-DED

[KrazyHorse]

Hera, there's a diffusion term (inbreeding) and a frictional term (natural selection). The frictional term DOES NOT MEAN that higher diffusion rates leads to slower loss of diversity

[DaShi]

I wonder how much Amish-inseminator pays.

[KrazyHorse]

Usually I'd say something like "an ass full of buckshot", but luckily the Amish are pacifists.

[notyoueither]

I have heard that some of those communities do use studs from outside.

[KrazyHorse]

Really? That sounds like a letter to Penthouse.

[KrazyHorse]

If not, I'm only a few hours from Amish country...

[Wezil]

I have heard that some of those communities do use studs from outside.

I don't know about "studs" but they do ship women to other similar communities to marry. Doing what they can to mix things up.

[notyoueither]

It may well be an urban legend. It is related to the hutterite communities out here. I don't know about the Amish in the east.

[Blaupanzer]

Originally, the issue at hand had been: if you met your sister (or half-sister) only after both of you were adults, would it be okay to fxxx her? I have seen this bringing adult siblings into contact several times and have been informed about subsequent sexual behavior. (Happened quite frequent, especially considering many of them were already married to other people.)

I say, Hxxx yes! Fxxx away all you want, celebrate your "reunion!" However, no need to have children, no need to screw up the gene pool. You folks can't possibly all believe that sex is only for breeding.

Incest was forbidden in the bible to prevent sibling rivalry resulting in death as brothers fought over sisters and to protect the underage siblings from abuse. The Jews knew very little about the genetics as it relates to birth defects as we discuss it here. Hera asked if siblings as adults should be limited by bronze age philosophies. I say no!

Note in the study cited by KH addressing the effects of inbreeding NOT incest, quite a few of the incest-induced mothers were very young when the first pregnancy occurred. This very likely skews the miscarraige and born dead statistics, independently of the incest factor. Such youth was not a factor in the so-called control group.

I remember a saying about finding a virgin in America that applies here: The only female virgins in America are girls of nine or younger who can run very fast and have no older brothers. I suspect incest is a lot more common than most of us are willing to admit.

[KrazyHorse]

Note in the study cited by KH addressing the effects of inbreeding NOT incest, quite a few of the incest-induced mothers were very young when the first pregnancy occurred. This very likely skews the miscarraige and born dead statistics, independently of the incest factor. Such youth was not a factor in the so-called control group.

There are a number of problems with close family incest studies, not least of which is the small number of participants one will be able to find

This is why I mentioned the figures for 1st cousins, and how that could be expected to scale with a closer relationship

[KrazyHorse]

Note in the study cited by KH addressing the effects of inbreeding NOT incest, quite a few of the incest-induced mothers were very young when the first pregnancy occurred. This very likely skews the miscarraige and born dead statistics, independently of the incest factor. Such youth was not a factor in the so-called control group.

There are a number of problems with close family incest studies, not least of which is the small number of participants one will be able to find

This is why I mentioned the figures for 1st cousins, and how that could be expected to scale with a closer relationship

[Heraclitus]

OMFG YOU ARE RETARDED

You ****ing moron. By your reasoning the larger the genetic pool the more birth defects. You ****ing idiot.

Wait wait wait WUT?!?!?!?!


Don't make me reconsider my position that you are probably right, how the **** DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION FROM MY POST!?!? WTF WTF WTF


Sometimes due to the effect a larger community would have a higher birth defect rate due to the number of defective children that survive. Smaller communities can have lower defect rates if they let the kids die.



To translate this into me saying larger community > more birth rates is retarded.

JUST READ THE GODDDAM ARTICLE ON WIKIPEDIA.