What are the real reason why U.S.A. got into Iraq?

[Wiglaf]

Clearly Bush wanted to depose Saddam as soon as he took office , both because he was a mass murderer and tried to kill his father. The tool Woodward thinks this, but it is reasonable, and after 9/11 it became easier and even more justifiable to push the issue when Saddam ignored resolutions to disarm. WMD intelligence was there (Alwan, the Iraqi informant, helped sell this) and also plausible based on the kurd massacres of the 1990s.

When you have the CIA director saying it is a "slam dunk" case for WMD, clearly bush has been fed some misleading intelligence, but then again, the rationale was that the onus was on Saddam to prove he was clean. And he instead willfully obstructed inspectors.

I still believe he shipped weapons to Iran

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by CrONoS


If Oil was the first or only reason:
1. Why invading a country for oil? Is there no other way to have oil? (buying company, investing, making business agreement, exchange oil for military equipment, development offshore platform in the north, etc..). And who will and is controlling the oil field right now?

2. But if the first reason was GeoStrategic; oil can be an enjoyable benefit.

1The answer to your first question is simple: The Oil Companies (monopoly). If they have control they set the price. If we have control, we set the price.

2 Concerning the second question about Geostrategic...well those oil reserves need military protection and backing...so why not throw down a few (or half dozen) permanent military bases thoughout the region to protect our (oil) assets....oh ya, and global security as well.

Is that GeoStrategic enough for you CrONoS?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by CrONoS
@Rufus

But what about the fact that S. Hussein did wrote words from the Koran on the flag (I don't remember which year)? Sign was indicating to us that S. Hussein was slowly transforming itself as a defender of Islam.

Why would we want a new openly hostile islamic regime in the middle east?

Whatever Hussein was or wasn't doing with Islam, it's not the same as supporting al-Qaeda; nor is a comment from Saddam's son, or the speculation on what may have happened at a meeting (according to an unnamed source) the same as supporting al-Qaeda.

I'm not saying that Saddam was a right guy -- he was scum of the earth. But invading his country had f*ck-all to do with al-Qaeda, unless our plan was to strengthen them. If we wanted to invade a Middle Eastern country in the name of fighting al-Qaeda, the obvious choice was Saudi Arabia.

As for why I think we did do it: geostrategy. We wanted a base from which to project power in the Middle East, and Iraq seemed like the place to do it from. The fact that it's oil-rich is a serious bonus, but not the reason in-and-of itself. As for Saddam being a bad guy: that was a convenient excuse, but based on the number of bad guys we leave alone or even support, it hardly seems like the reason.

[Wiglaf]

Please see this article and shut the hell up : http://www.inthenationalinterest.com...9kohlhaas.html

This oil crap is so hippy, so tired

[GePap]

Creative destruction.

Twenty days after the bombings, Uday Hussein (son of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein) praised Osama Bin Laden as "an Arab and Islamic hero."[5] Later, Richard A. Clarke, a top Clinton administration counterterrorism official, stated that one source reported that bin Laden had met with Iraqi officials who "may have offered him asylum" after the embassy bombings.[6]

Hmm, so Saddam's son, NOT Saddam, praised Osama. And a single source said Osama met with Iraqi officials. Was it the same source that claimed Atta met with Iraqis in Prague? Was it the same source that told us where the mobile biological weapons trucks were parked?

Please.

[Wittlich]

A Point that ALL here should consider: OIL is traded on the International market in US DOLLARS.

Trust me, Bush wants Iraq (if not most of the Middleast to become pro-western). I myself, think it is a lost battle.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Wittlich
A Point that ALL here should consider: OIL is traded on the International market in US DOLLARS.

Trust me, Bush wants Iraq (if not most of the Middleast to become pro-western). I myself, think it is a lost battle.

IMHO the only significance of the oil was that it helped insulate saddam's regime from even harsher sanctions that would otherwise be used against it making open war more attractive to the administration.

When people say it was invaded "for oil" I always wonder what exactly about the oil the invasion was meant to change?

[Berzerker]

iran

[Wittlich]

Simply put: Economical influence.

You all recall Dune? "The Spice must flow"

Same goes for the western world (which is based on oil): "The Oil must flow"

Come on peoples connect the dots!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Geronimo
When people say it was invaded "for oil" I always wonder what exactly about the oil the invasion was meant to change?

Who gets it, how much, and at what price.

[Wittlich]

Touche' You get it Kidicious!

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Who gets it, how much, and at what price.

how will an invasion of iraq accomplish this even if all plans proceed exactly according to plan?

The only thing an invasion could conceivably have achieved is an increase in the price of oil and/or a drop in production. Why would the bush administration have aimed for an increase in the price of oil? why use an invasion to accomplish this when there are so many cheaper ways to increase the price of oil?

How would the invasion control who gets the oil?

How would the invasion either increase the quantity or decrease the price of oil?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Touche' You get it Kidicious!

I would also like to "get it".

Explain how you might accomplish these things with an invasion and occupation.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Simply put: Economical influence.

You all recall Dune? "The Spice must flow"

Same goes for the western world (which is based on oil): "The Oil must flow"

Come on peoples connect the dots!

Connect the dots for us. How would the invasion make the oil "flow" more readily?

[Apocalypse]

I think they really did expect to find WMDs. Heck, Clinton came out in support of that reason.

I am not saying that was the main reason, but just because they didn't mind many WMDs doesn't mean they didn't believe there were.