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  • #46
    Originally posted by Jon Miller
    What are your definitions? Assuming a fairly common definition of the natural world being that which can be probed, modeled, and exists in this universe leaves a lot in the realm of possibility that could exist outside of the natural world.

    JM
    You can't prove anything that's not 'natural' under that definition to exist.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Kuciwalker


      You can't prove anything that's not 'natural' under that definition to exist.
      Which is the difficulty in proving (or disproving) the existence of God*.

      However, if God (for example) suddenly spoke to you, you would have some 'proof' of His existence. However, you couldn't mode or probe His existence, and so He would be supernatural.

      I agree that there would be no scientific 'proof', as that requires repeatibilitiy/etc. Which obviously isn't necessary, and the data would be thrown out. This would just be an example of Science failing to describe the truth, which is possible.

      It is even possible (I think even likely) that we won't be able to model/probe everything that exists within this universe. That doesn't mean that things didn't exist (for example, 200 years ago nucleons couldn't be probed or modeled, it didn't mean that they didn't exist). There is nothing that guaruntees that everything in the universe can be probed and modeled.

      Jon Miller
      *Replace with flying noodle monster as your personal inclination warrants.
      Jon Miller-
      I AM.CANADIAN
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      • #48
        I can bite my toenails.
        I'm also very good (really lucky) at finding a way through a maze I've never seen before.
        Graffiti in a public toilet
        Do not require skill or wit
        Among the **** we all are poets
        Among the poets we are ****.

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        • #49
          I can use 'noon chucks'. No clue how it's actually spelled. When I was in the army, 17 years old, I first learned how from some friends. Used them as an exercise device and to impress friends for 20 years after that. Haven't picked up a pair in a while, but will soon as I get back to Oregon. My shoulder is screwed up and I have to work it.
          Long time member @ Apolyton
          Civilization player since the dawn of time

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          • #50
            Originally posted by LotC
            With minimal preparation (no hidden electrical devices) I can arc electricity between my fingers and from my hands to metal objects. I've made it jump an air gap of up to a foot.

            I can also feel magnetic fields from a distance and determine polarity. This includes acting like a human compass. I also tend to permanently magnetize metal objects.
            Shocking.
            Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
            RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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            • #51
              Originally posted by -Jrabbit

              Shocking.
              Electrifying ?
              B♭3

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Theben


                Tom Cruise did it 1st.
                What movie is that? A friend of mine said I should see it but I forget the name.

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                • #53
                  I'm a bit curious about the 'over a foot' arc. That's a pretty big arc through air... I'm not an E&M expert but I have a hard time believing the human body could potentially produce that much voltage. And, isn't amperage also involved in the ability to arc through air over distance?
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                  I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by snoopy369
                    I'm a bit curious about the 'over a foot' arc. That's a pretty big arc through air... I'm not an E&M expert but I have a hard time believing the human body could potentially produce that much voltage. And, isn't amperage also involved in the ability to arc through air over distance?
                    Having the air around me already charged would decrease the amount of voltage required to arc this far, in effect increasing the conductivity of the air. Across a foot of completely neutral air I doubt it could happen. I think the general rule is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1 inch to 1000V. Having no way to measure the charge in the air, I really can't say what it's resistance would be.

                    As for how much voltage the body can produce, remember that a chemical battery will only produce a certain voltage according to the materials used. Basically, the slew of ions in mine, or anyone's body, are behaving like little chemical batteries. An oversimplification or perhaps distortion of the facts I'm sure, but I'm certainly not a biochemist. If you hooked all of these little batteries up in series I'm supposing you could get significant voltage potential though.

                    The amperage is driven by the voltage. If sufficient voltage difference is present between 2 objects, the current will flow. The amperage, by its definition, does not exist until the circuit is closed. I'm wildly guessing that the amperage present when I'm arcing electricity is in the area of 25-50mA. A van de Graaf generator probably does about the same and can shock you from a fair distance.

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                    • #55
                      I can roll my tounge up and I can also turn my tounge on it's side and alturnate from side to side.
                      Welcome to earth, my name is Tia and I'll be your tour guide for this trip.
                      Succulent and Bejeweled Mother Goddess, who is always moisturised yet never greasy, always patient yet never suffers fools~Starchild
                      Dragons? Yup- big flying lizards with an attitude. ~ Laz
                      You are forgiven because you are FABULOUS ~ Imran

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jon Miller


                        Which is the difficulty in proving (or disproving) the existence of God*.

                        However, if God (for example) suddenly spoke to you, you would have some 'proof' of His existence. However, you couldn't mode or probe His existence, and so He would be supernatural.
                        No, at best you only ever know "Something is thinking". You may attach the origin to those thoughts as being the voice of god beamed directly into your brain, but that's just so much conjecture.

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                        • #57
                          I don't have so many talents that I would be secretive about them.

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #58
                            I can imitate Kermit the Frog, Walter Cronkite, and I'm working on James Carvell.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Tiamat
                              I can roll my tounge up and I can also turn my tounge on it's side and alturnate from side to side.
                              You related to B etor?
                              What?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by LotC


                                Having the air around me already charged would decrease the amount of voltage required to arc this far, in effect increasing the conductivity of the air. Across a foot of completely neutral air I doubt it could happen. I think the general rule is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1 inch to 1000V. Having no way to measure the charge in the air, I really can't say what it's resistance would be.

                                As for how much voltage the body can produce, remember that a chemical battery will only produce a certain voltage according to the materials used. Basically, the slew of ions in mine, or anyone's body, are behaving like little chemical batteries. An oversimplification or perhaps distortion of the facts I'm sure, but I'm certainly not a biochemist. If you hooked all of these little batteries up in series I'm supposing you could get significant voltage potential though.

                                The amperage is driven by the voltage. If sufficient voltage difference is present between 2 objects, the current will flow. The amperage, by its definition, does not exist until the circuit is closed. I'm wildly guessing that the amperage present when I'm arcing electricity is in the area of 25-50mA. A van de Graaf generator probably does about the same and can shock you from a fair distance.
                                Apparently you know what you're talking about, so I'll shut up now
                                <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                                I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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