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    We Scream, We Swoon. How Dumb Can We Get?

    By Charlotte Allen
    Sunday, March 2, 2008; B01

    Here's Agence France-Presse reporting on a rally for Sen. Barack Obama at the University of Maryland on Feb. 11: "He did not flinch when women screamed as he was in mid-sentence, and even broke off once to answer a female's cry of 'I love you, Obama!' with a reassuring 'I love you back.' " Women screamed? What was this, the Beatles tour of 1964? And when they weren't screaming, the fair-sex Obama fans who dominated the rally of 16,000 were saying things like: "Every time I hear him speak, I become more hopeful." Huh?

    "Women 'Falling for Obama,' " the story's headline read. Elsewhere around the country, women were falling for the presidential candidate literally. Connecticut radio talk show host Jim Vicevich has counted five separate instances in which women fainted at Obama rallies since last September. And I thought such fainting was supposed to be a relic of the sexist past, when patriarchs forced their wives and daughters to lace themselves into corsets that cut off their oxygen.

    I can't help it, but reading about such episodes of screaming, gushing and swooning makes me wonder whether women -- I should say, "we women," of course -- aren't the weaker sex after all. Or even the stupid sex, our brains permanently occluded by random emotions, psychosomatic flailings and distraction by the superficial. Women "are only children of a larger growth," wrote the 18th-century Earl of Chesterfield. Could he have been right?

    I'm not the only woman who's dumbfounded (as it were) by our sex, or rather, as we prefer to put it, by other members of our sex besides us. It's a frequent topic of lunch, phone and water-cooler conversations; even some feminists can't believe that there's this thing called "The Oprah Winfrey Show" or that Celine Dion actually sells CDs. A female friend of mine plans to write a horror novel titled "Office of Women," in which nothing ever gets done and everyone spends the day talking about Botox.

    We exaggerate, of course. And obviously men do dumb things, too, although my husband has perfectly good explanations for why he eats standing up at the stove (when I'm not around) or pulls down all the blinds so the house looks like a cave (also when I'm not around): It has to do with the aggressive male nature and an instinctive fear of danger from other aggressive men. When men do dumb things, though, they tend to be catastrophically dumb, such as blowing the paycheck on booze or much, much worse (think "postal"). Women's foolishness is usually harmless. But it can be so . . . embarrassing.

    Take Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign. By all measures, she has run one of the worst -- and, yes, stupidest -- presidential races in recent history, marred by every stereotypical flaw of the female sex. As far as I'm concerned, she has proved that she can't debate -- viz. her televised one-on-one against Obama last Tuesday, which consisted largely of complaining that she had to answer questions first and putting the audience to sleep with minutiae about her health-coverage mandate. She has whined (via her aides) like the teacher's pet in grade school that the boys are ganging up on her when she's bested by male rivals. She has wept on the campaign trail, even though everyone knows that tears are the last refuge of losers. And she is tellingly dependent on her husband.

    Then there's Clinton's nearly all-female staff, chosen for loyalty rather than, say, brains or political savvy. Clinton finally fired her daytime-soap-watching, self-styled "Latina queena" campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle, known for burning through campaign money and for her open contempt for the "white boys" in the Clinton camp. But stupidly, she did it just in time to alienate the Hispanic voters she now desperately needs to win in Texas or Ohio to have any shot at the Democratic nomination.

    What is it about us women? Why do we always fall for the hysterical, the superficial and the gooily sentimental? Take a look at the New York Times bestseller list. At the top of the paperback nonfiction chart and pitched to an exclusively female readership is Elizabeth Gilbert's "Eat, Pray, Love." Here's the book's autobiographical plot: Gilbert gets bored with her perfectly okay husband, so she has an affair behind his back. Then, when that doesn't pan out, she goes to Italy and gains 23 pounds forking pasta so she has to buy a whole new wardrobe, goes to India to meditate (that's the snooze part), and finally, at an Indonesian beach, finds fulfillment by -- get this -- picking up a Latin lover!

    This is the kind of literature that countless women soak up like biscotti in a latte cup: food, clothes, sex, "relationships" and gummy, feel-good "spirituality." This female taste for first-person romantic nuttiness, spiced with a soup¿on of soft-core porn, has made for centuries of bestsellers -- including Samuel Richardson's 1740 novel "Pamela," in which a handsome young lord tries to seduce a virtuous serving maid for hundreds of pages and then proposes, as well as Erica Jong's 1973 "Fear of Flying."

    Then there's the chick doctor television show "Grey's Anatomy" (reportedly one of Hillary Clinton's favorites). Want to be a surgeon? Here's what your life will be like at the hospital, according to "Grey's": sex in the linen-supply room, catfights with your sister in front of the patients, sex in the on-call room, a "prom" in the recovery room so you can wear your strapless evening gown to work, and sex with the married attending physician in an office. Oh, and some surgery. When was the last time you were in a hospital and spotted two doctors going at it in an empty bed?

    I swear no man watches "Grey's Anatomy" unless his girlfriend forces him to. No man bakes cookies for his dog. No man feels blue and takes off work to spend the day in bed with a copy of "The Friday Night Knitting Club." No man contracts nebulous diseases whose existence is disputed by many if not all doctors, such as Morgellons (where you feel bugs crawling around under your skin). At least no man I know. Of course, not all women do these things, either -- although enough do to make one wonder whether there isn't some genetic aspect of the female brain, something evolutionarily connected to the fact that we live longer than men or go through childbirth, that turns the pre-frontal cortex into Cream of Wheat.

    Depressing as it is, several of the supposed misogynist myths about female inferiority have been proven true. Women really are worse drivers than men, for example. A study published in 1998 by the Johns Hopkins schools of medicine and public health revealed that women clocked 5.7 auto accidents per million miles driven, in contrast to men's 5.1, even though men drive about 74 percent more miles a year than women. The only good news was that women tended to take fewer driving risks than men, so their crashes were only a third as likely to be fatal. Those statistics were reinforced by a study released by the University of London in January showing that women and gay men perform more poorly than heterosexual men at tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness, both crucial to good driving.

    The theory that women are the dumber sex -- or at least the sex that gets into more car accidents -- is amply supported by neurological and standardized-testing evidence. Men's and women's brains not only look different, but men's brains are bigger than women's (even adjusting for men's generally bigger body size). The important difference is in the parietal cortex, which is associated with space perception. Visuospatial skills, the capacity to rotate three-dimensional objects in the mind, at which men tend to excel over women, are in turn related to a capacity for abstract thinking and reasoning, the grounding for mathematics, science and philosophy. While the two sexes seem to have the same IQ on average (although even here, at least one recent study gives males a slight edge), there are proportionally more men than women at the extremes of very, very smart and very, very stupid.

    I am perfectly willing to admit that I myself am a classic case of female mental deficiencies. I can't add 2 and 2 (well, I can, but then what?). I don't even know how many pairs of shoes I own. I have coasted through life and academia on the basis of an excellent memory and superior verbal skills, two areas where, researchers agree, women consistently outpace men. (An evolutionary just-so story explains this facility of ours: Back in hunter-gatherer days, men were the hunters and needed to calculate spear trajectories, while women were the gatherers and needed to remember where the berries were.) I don't mind recognizing and accepting that the women in history I admire most -- Sappho, Hildegard of Bingen, Elizabeth I, George Eliot, Margaret Thatcher -- were brilliant outliers.

    The same goes for female fighter pilots, architects, tax accountants, chemical engineers, Supreme Court justices and brain surgeons. Yes, they can do their jobs and do them well, and I don't think anyone should put obstacles in their paths. I predict that over the long run, however, even with all the special mentoring and role-modeling the 21st century can provide, the number of women in these fields will always lag behind the number of men, for good reason.

    So I don't understand why more women don't relax, enjoy the innate abilities most of us possess (as well as the ones fewer of us possess) and revel in the things most important to life at which nearly all of us excel: tenderness toward children and men and the weak and the ability to make a house a home. (Even I, who inherited my interior-decorating skills from my Bronx Irish paternal grandmother, whose idea of upgrading the living-room sofa was to throw a blanket over it, can make a house a home.) Then we could shriek and swoon and gossip and read chick lit to our hearts' content and not mind the fact that way down deep, we are . . . kind of dim.
    WoW! Nothing like this could never ever be published(in a national newspaper) in my castrated home province of Quebec.
    bleh

  • #2
    Ben will absolutely that article.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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    • #3
      When men do dumb things, though, they tend to be catastrophically dumb, such as blowing the paycheck on booze or much, much worse (think "postal"). Women's foolishness is usually harmless. But it can be so . . . embarrassing.
      QFT.

      In my experiance anyway. Women prefer death by paper cuts
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      • #4
        Interesting article.

        Men's brains are superior, but no one in their right mind (har har) would suggest taking away rights from women, yet people claim youth have inferior brains as justification for their denial of rights.

        Furthermore, while the article focused on women's increased likelyhood to get into an accident, the important stat was that men are much more likely to get into a fatal accident. Why don't we ban all men from driving? Like we do with many teens?
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        • #5
          When you are 40 you will understand.

          No really, my peers and I were much more reckless 25 years ago than today. You reach a point (hopefully) when you "grow up" and start behaving more responsibly.
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Originally posted by OzzyKP
            Interesting article.

            Men's brains are superior
            I suggest never uttering that statement again if you have any hope of marrying...

            It's also patently untrue; men's brains are superior at certain things, on average such as strategy (hence strategy gaming being mostly a male pasttime); but clearly inferior at managing social dynamics and other things. Furthermore, this is simply on average; it is a poor statement to make even then because of the many people where this is quite the other way around.
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            • #7
              I'm glad for the fainting women at the Obama rallies. Shows they're not all in denial, and it shows they shouldn't have the vote.

              Don't tell Dolores I said that.
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              • #8
                The key part of the driving stats is that guys may crash less often, but our crashes tend to kill people. I bet that, when viewed from the standpoint of death and/or serious injury, men are the more dangerous drivers. I'm sure of it, in fact, because it's the basis for the insurance rates you see for young male drivers. An insurance company (rightly) sees 2 fender benders as less of a problem than 1 fatal crash.

                As for the rest... I think this says it all:

                So I don't understand why more women don't relax, enjoy the innate abilities most of us possess (as well as the ones fewer of us possess) and revel in the things most important to life at which nearly all of us excel: tenderness toward children and men and the weak and the ability to make a house a home.
                In my (limited, of course) experience... lots of women *do* do that. Lots and lots of 'em. It's a good thing, however, that those who don't want to, don't have to.

                -Arrian
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snoopy369


                  I suggest never uttering that statement again if you have any hope of marrying...

                  It's also patently untrue; men's brains are superior at certain things, on average such as strategy (hence strategy gaming being mostly a male pasttime); but clearly inferior at managing social dynamics and other things. Furthermore, this is simply on average; it is a poor statement to make even then because of the many people where this is quite the other way around.
                  That is absolutely the same situation we find with youth.

                  Youth are better at some things than adults and worse at other things. Plus it is an average any how. Many youth excel far beyond the average and many adults drop well below the average.

                  Why do people use this same flawed argument then to deny equal rights to youth?

                  It is just as patently untrue for youth as it is for women.
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                  • #10
                    To the article. At a nightclub all women do is sit on their ass and ask for people to buy them drinks. They want you to hold the door open for them. Well all of these things are done because women are too fragile and stupid to know how to buy liquor or push instead of pull WHEN THE SIGN SAYS PUSH. No other sex sits around the house with as much indignation as women have done consistently since the days of the hunter-gatherers. And now they can't even control their own junk and want to abort their children willy nilly.

                    Originally posted by OzzyKP
                    Interesting article.

                    Men's brains are superior, but no one in their right mind (har har) would suggest taking away rights from women, yet people claim youth have inferior brains as justification for their denial of rights.

                    Furthermore, while the article focused on women's increased likelyhood to get into an accident, the important stat was that men are much more likely to get into a fatal accident. Why don't we ban all men from driving? Like we do with many teens?
                    This is so retarded, I wish you would stop moaning, it is like I am on a farm with cows BONKING all the time. It is legal to get a learner's permit at 15 in most states and be driving on your own by 16. Letting kids drive earlier than this (like, what do you want? 13 year olds driving? preteens whose balls have not dropped?) would result in demonstrably higher accident rates.

                    Adults have to drive, and it is too bad they have such high accident rates. Most kids don't need to drive, and they would have MUCH higher accident rates. Figure it out, I am out of time for your drifting.

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                    • #11
                      Ozzy,

                      If we could design a driving test that really measured a driver's ability and maturity, I'd be all for dropping the bright-line age requirement.

                      The sort of test I'm thinking of, however, would be difficult to design and expensive/bothersome (possibly a very serious invasion of privacy) to implement.

                      ...

                      The safest thing would be to take driving out of our hands entirely, asap.

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        What kind of test are you thinking of?

                        I'm totally in favor of stricter testing.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OzzyKP


                          That is absolutely the same situation we find with youth.

                          Youth are better at some things than adults and worse at other things. Plus it is an average any how. Many youth excel far beyond the average and many adults drop well below the average.

                          Why do people use this same flawed argument then to deny equal rights to youth?

                          It is just as patently untrue for youth as it is for women.
                          It is, however, patently true that the things that youth are not as good at are things that need to be controlled for; particularly, experience.

                          How do you learn not to stick your hand in the fire?

                          OPTION 1: Stick your hand in the fire. It hurts. Okay, that's a bad idea, let's not do that again.

                          OPTION 2: Mom tells you not to stick your hand in the fire, and explains why, perhaps showing you by sticking your hand near a fire enough that it hurts a bit.

                          Of course, both options in this case are acceptable, as sticking your hand in the fire both has early warning signs (heat) and is generally non-permanently damaging. When you start to include more permanently dangerous things, such as not playing in the street, not crossing on a red light, etc., it is clear that there are some things that youth clearly need to be taught directly rather than experentially. If you agree with that - and if you don't, you're hopeless and I'm not going to try arguing with you - it's just a matter of where you draw the line.

                          Unfortunately, some things such as 'responsibility' and 'long-term thinking' are very, very hard to teach, and are generally learned over years of teaching plus years of experience. You don't come out of the womb understanding responsibility, honesty, honor, integrity, or seeing the big picture; and these things are necessary for many 'adult' actions, such as dangerous activities like driving a car or drinking alcohol (which i'd rather ban entirely but that's another story); society-affecting things such as voting or holding office; and personally affecting things such as living on your own.

                          Certainly you don't suddenly get these things at 18, or 21. Some get them at 16, some at 30, some never. However, it's impractical physically and politically to have a 'test' or some such for these, so you draw the line at the point where most people have achieved a reasonable level of responsibility such that they will not do serious harm to themselves, others, or society. Frankly I'd draw the line at 21 not 18, and alcohol either at 25, or add significant penalties to underage drinking (incarceration for both the drinker and the provider of alcohol for ~1 year); but that's also politically infeasible

                          Anyhow, point is you can't compare the two, because youth are actually lacking something (experience) that must be provided over time and isn't innate, while men and women are differing simply in a matter of how their strengths lie, and not in a way that suggests one should be limited to protect society
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                          • #14
                            Why are we discussing Ozzy's pet issue in a thread that doesn't talking about it?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OzzyKP


                              That is absolutely the same situation we find with youth.

                              Youth are better at some things than adults and worse at other things. Plus it is an average any how. Many youth excel far beyond the average and many adults drop well below the average.

                              Why do people use this same flawed argument then to deny equal rights to youth?

                              It is just as patently untrue for youth as it is for women.
                              The last portion of the human brain that develops is the part that deals with the ability to grasp consequences, which usually occurs in the late teens. Teens cannot fully grasp the consequences of their actions. This is why they make such bad drivers and such good soldiers. They will actually charge machine gun nests; we old farts will hang back and let the kids do it.

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