If the Turks invade Iraq in force against the US trained Iraqi army, what should...

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Oerdin
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258323.stm

are these people serious?

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so here i am, in the middle of a military invasion and i'll go online to send photos to the bbc about it? or even worse, i'd sent them a text message?



i mean, what are blogs for?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
We'd have to invade Turkey, Iran, and Syria.

Well you better get started then!

[Lancer]

Maybe the Turks forgot to leave anybody on the Greek border...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

time for Greece to finally reclaim Constantinople... and that better be soon because I am going there in May

[germanos]

Originally posted by onodera
... Saddam was hanged for, IIRC, killing some Kurds...

Alas, no such justice was done

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by germanos


Alas, no such justice was done

Oh, yes.

[BeBMan]

Military ops in Iraq would be so much more entertaining if they would bring the former Iraqi information minister back

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Oh, yes.

No, he was hanged for a massacre against the Shi'ites. They weren't finished trying him for the Anfal.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by onodera
If the US let Turkey exterminate every Kurd in Iraq, both Iraq and Turkey will have an easier life. The problem is, that's what Saddam was hanged for, IIRC, killing some Kurds. Though I do support Turkey in their noble crusade.

Why? Russia had trouble with the Turks and Kurds are their enemies, so shouldn't you patriotically support the Kurds? Or is there another angle to it?

[Zkribbler]

I don't foresee any fullscale invasion of Kurdistan by the Turks. Rather, there'll probably be a series of these cross-border incursions.

Turkey launches ground incursion into Iraq in pursuit of Kurd rebels
From the Associated Press, February 22, 2008

ISTANBUL, Turkey -- Turkish troops launched a ground incursion across the border into Iraq in pursuit of separatist Kurdish rebels, the military said today -- a move that dramatically escalates Turkey's conflict with the militants.

It is the first confirmed ground operation by the Turkish military into Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein. It also raised concerns that it could trigger a wider conflict with the U.S.-backed Iraqi Kurds, despite Turkey's assurances that its only target was the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK.


The ground operation started after Turkish warplanes and artillery bombed suspected rebel targets on Thursday, the military said on its Web site. The incursion was backed by the Air Force, the statement said.

Turkey has conducted air raids against the PKK guerrillas in northern Iraq since December, with the help of U.S. intelligence, and it has periodically carried out so-called "hot pursuits" in which small units sometimes spend only a few hours inside Iraq.

The announcement of a cross-border, ground incursion of a type that Turkey carried out before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a major development in its conflict with the Kurdish rebels, which started in 1984 and has claimed as many as 40,000 lives.

Turkey staged about two-dozen incursions in Iraq during the rule of Saddam, who launched brutal campaigns against the Kurdish population. Some Turkish offensives involved tens of thousands of troops. Results were mixed, with rebels suffering blows to their ranks and supplies but regrouping after the bulk of the Turkish forces had left.

PKK spokesman Ahmad Danas said two Turkish troops were killed and eight wounded in clashes along the 240-mile border, but there was no comment from the Turkish military and no way to independently confirm the claim.

The Kurdish militants are fighting for autonomy in Turkey's predominantly Kurdish southeast, and have carried out attacks on Turkish targets from bases in northern Iraq. The U.S. and the European Union consider the PKK a terrorist organization.

"The Turkish Armed Forces, which values Iraq's territorial integrity and its stability, will return as soon as planned goals are achieved," the military said. "The executed operation will prevent the region from being a permanent and safe base for the terrorists and will contribute to Iraq's stability and internal peace."

Private NTV television said 10,000 troops were taking part in the offensive and had penetrated six miles into Iraq, though some reports said that not all the troops had been deployed. The operation was reportedly concentrated in the Hakurk region, south of the Turkish border town of Cukurca.

The state-run Anatolia agency reported that warplanes were seen taking off from the air base in Diyarbakir in southeast Turkey. It said planes and helicopters were conducting reconnaissance flights over the border region, and that military units were deployed at the border to prevent rebel infiltration.

Dogan News Agency reported that the Habur border crossing, a major conduit for trade between Iraq and Turkey, was closed to vehicle traffic.

CNN-Turk television, however, quoted Deputy Prime Minister Hayati Yazici as saying the border gate was not closed but that priority was being given to Turkish military vehicles. Trucks routinely ferry supplies bound for U.S. military bases in Iraq through the Habur crossing.

Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a U.S. spokesman in Iraq, said the military had received assurances from its NATO ally Turkey that it would do everything possible to avoid "collateral damage" to innocent civilians or infrastructure.

"Multi-National Forces-Iraq is aware Turkish ground forces have entered into northern Iraq, for what we understand is an operation of limited duration to specifically target PKK terrorists in that region," Smith said in a statement.

"The United States continues to support Turkey's right to defend itself from the terrorist activities of the PKK and has encouraged Turkey to use all available means, to include diplomacy and close coordination with the Government of Iraq to ultimately resolve this issue," he added.

Matthew Bryza, U.S. deputy assistant secretary for southeastern Europe, cited the importance of a Nov. 5 meeting in which President Bush promised Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that Washington would share intelligence on the PKK.

"The land operation is a whole new level," Bryza said in Belgium. "What I can say is that what we've been doing until now has been working quite well."

The European Commission appealed to Turkey to act with restraint.

"Turkey should refrain from taking any disproportionate military action and respect human rights and the rule of law," said Commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy.

"The EU understands Turkey's need to protect its population from terrorism," she said. "We encourage Turkey to continue to pursue dialogue with international partners."

Turkish President Abdullah Gul spoke with his Iraqi counterpart Jalal Talabani late Thursday and gave him information about the goals of the operation, Gul's office said. Gul also invited Talabani to visit Turkey.

The military said its target was PKK rebels and that it does not want to harm civilians "and other local groups that do not act in enmity against the Turkish Armed Forces."

Nihat Ali Ozcan, a terrorism expert with the research center TEPAV, said the operation was likely launched to hit the group before the traditional start of the fighting season in the spring.

"I think it is aimed to keep the PKK under pressure before the group starts entering Turkey," he said on CNN-Turk television.

Iraqi border forces officer Col. Hussein Tamer said Turkish shelling on Thursday hit several Kurdish villages in the Sedafan area, some 20 miles from the border.

Jabbar Yawar, a spokesman for Iraqi Kurdish security forces, said sporadic bombing had taken place in the border areas, but no casualties were reported.

Fouad Hussein, a spokesman for the semiautonomous Kurdish government in Iraq, said the Kurdish Peshmerga forces had been put on alert.

He said Iraqi Kurdish forces also had tightened security around bases housing Turkish military monitors operating in northern Iraq with permission from local authorities under a 1996 agreement.

"The government of Kurdistan ordered the Peshmerga forces to be on alert in fear of any Turkish incursion on Iraqi territory," he said, claiming that Turkish military monitors had tried to leave their bases in violation of the accord.

"Those troops tried to move out, but the Peshmerga forces forced them to return to their camps within half an hour," he said.

Turkish media reports said today that a total of 1,200 Turkish monitors in four camps in Iraq were helping to coordinate the ground offensive.

[Riesstiu IV]

I've said it before, as soon as the Turkish army steps into Iraq, we should withdraw immediately and Iraq becomes Turkey's problem. Then we pretend like nothing happened.

[onodera]

Originally posted by VetLegion


Why? Russia had trouble with the Turks and Kurds are their enemies, so shouldn't you patriotically support the Kurds? Or is there another angle to it?

We had trouble with the Ottoman Turkey, not the new Turkey. The USA also had trouble with the Brits, the Spaniards and the Japanese, why are they their allies, then?
Also, I usually support the metropoly, not the separatists.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by onodera

The USA also had trouble with the Brits, the Spaniards, the Japanese, the French, the Italians, the Tripolitans, the Confederacy, the Indians, the Canadians, the Russians, the Grenadians, the Panamanians, the Vietnamese, the Chinese, and the Mexicans, why are they their allies, then?

Also, I usually support the metropoly, not the separatists.

Fixed

[snoopy369]

I don't recall the Panamanians being much trouble at all...

Also, i'm not sure how you call the Vietnamese or the Chinese our allies... or the Russians ...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
I've said it before, as soon as the Turkish army steps into Iraq, we should withdraw immediately and Iraq becomes Turkey's problem. Then we pretend like nothing happened.

It's a plan!