Keith Olbermann's Electronic Molotov Cocktail

[Dinner]

The first part is a bit dull but the second part is both powerful and true. To bad more of the media couldn't be so bold in speaking the truth.

[Darius871]

[Harry Tuttle]

[Sirotnikov]

this is all a bunch of crap, playing on the popular fear that all NSA has time for is listen in on people having phone-sex.

you have hundreds of sleeper cells or of potential recruits in your country.

making tracking them difficult, or laying blame on the phone companies for helping the government track them, is stupid.

it's not that civil liberties can't potencially be hurt.
they can - and it should be supervised.

but making bush a fascist out of it is really silly.

[Sirotnikov]

quoted from haft of the spear - a popular blog by a former intelligence analyst.

et’s just go back to 1947 and the National Security Act. COINTELPRO ran from 56-71. CHAOS and related programs shut down in 69. CIA and FBI mail-opening programs closed in 73.

* 61 years for the “modern” intelligence community age
* 17 years of intentional, often misguided focus on Americans by certain segments of the community

That’s 44 years of everyone else, or nearly so if you assume some minor shadiness going on we don’t know about, doing exactly what they should be doing. That’s hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans who did exactly what they were supposed to do: try to figure out what our foreign enemies are up to.

[Apocalypse]

The bigger story is that the senate was completely fine with giving Bush exactly what he wanted. He trashes Bush so much, but the Dems in the senate are just like "here you go..."

The Democrats are just cavemen. They cave over and over again.

Just like how they made a huge deal with Mukasey...they talked pretty big and when he spit in their faces they just confirmed him anyway.

They talk and talk but don't do anything about it. It makes the scandals seem like no big deal to most people. Especially when almost all of the senate Democrats that did vote against that bill were paid by the lawyers that want to sue the telecoms.

[Krill]

I give the presenter 1 month to live before Mush knocks him off.

[Dinner]

I agree the current Senate leadership, and all to often the House too, is so spineless it is unbelievable.

[Apocalypse]

I just think it is kinda misguided to just go grrrr Bush when the congress does nothing to stop him. It makes the Dems just seem really weak this election since their top people were all senate members that did not show enough leadership to do anything against Bush. They have some decent governors that might do better in four years. Of course the Republicans will have at least four strong governors (Riley, Pawlenty, Crist, and to a lesser extent Perry) to go up against.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Olbermann

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
you have hundreds of sleeper cells or of potential recruits in your country.

No we don't.

As for potential recruits, there's three hundred million potential communists too, so take that for what it's worth and stick it up your police state. In this country, it is still illegal to spy on people because of what they might do, for now.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I agree the current Senate leadership, and all to often the House too, is so spineless it is unbelievable.

Spineless? You seem to be under the assumption that the Democrats didn't want to support this but were scared, as opposed to wanting to support it and succeeded in passing it over the objections of their voters. The only substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats is the latter has weak support for abortion rights while the GOP has weak opposition to abortion rights.

Dude, standing up to 200 million pissed off Americans takes some serious balls.

[Diplo France]

PLEASE DELETE THIS

[Dinner]

Olbermann is the type of America we should all aspire to be.

[Dinner]

What we have is a president who broke every legal law about wire taping and who claims we will all be murdered by terrorists if we don't give him what he wants. Even after four years Bush is entirely unable to show even one, not even one, case where his illegal wire taping of EVERY SINGLE American has stopped one terrorist attack. Not one. We have a power mad megalomaniac who who claims we will all die if we don't do what he says. But that has never come true. Why should anyone believe him now?