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    Early Mars 'too salty' for life


    By Helen Briggs
    BBC science reporter, Boston


    Experts said the findings 'tightened the noose' on hopes of life on Mars The Red Planet was too salty to sustain life for much of its history, according to the latest evidence gathered by one of the US rovers on Mars' surface.

    High concentration of minerals in water on early Mars would have made it inhospitable to even the toughest microbes, a leading Nasa expert says.

    Clues preserved in rocks that were once awash with water suggest the environment was both acidic and briny.

    The observations were made by the US space agency's Opportunity rover.

    It has spent months examining rocks on an ancient Martian plain.

    'Ghost of a chance'

    Dr Andrew Knoll, a member of the rover science team, and a biologist at Harvard University, Cambridge, US, said the finding "tightens the noose on the possibility of life".

    Speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Boston, he said conditions on Mars in the past four billion years would have been very challenging for life.


    The quest for life on Mars will go on with the next generation rover

    "It was really salty - in fact, it was salty enough that only a handful of known terrestrial organisms would have a ghost of a chance of surviving there when conditions were at their best," he explained.

    The US Mars rovers - Opportunity and its twin, Spirit - have now spent more than 1,400 days on the Martian surface.

    As their work comes to an end, Nasa has its hopes set on the Phoenix lander, which is due to reach Mars on 25 May.

    The Phoenix mission will land near the planet's north pole, and aim to dig under the frozen surface in search of signs of microbial life, past or present.

    The next-generation rover, the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL), is set to leave Earth in 2009, and land in 2010.

    Twice as long and three times as heavy as Spirit and Opportunity, it will collect Martian soil and rock samples, and analyse them for organic compounds.
    I shall mourn for our brain-sucking alien neighbors who never were. It's a more lonely solar system without them.

  • #2
    well, it looks like in teh future Mars will be covered in robots!

    creepy.
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    • #3
      It's a good thing we won't need to feel guilty about exterminating any natives when we get down to colonising Mars.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
        It's a good thing we won't need to feel guilty about exterminating any natives when we get down to colonising Mars.

        Yay . . . .


        colonization without blood baths and atrocities.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
          It's a good thing we won't need to feel guilty about exterminating any natives when we get down to colonising Mars.
          bleh

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          • #6
            The rover may have stumbled across a very salty patch, an old Martian Dead Sea, perhaps. If the salt is widespread, it'll make colonisation more difficult.

            I suppose an early stage of terraforming could work on getting rainfall to wash the salt into small seas, where it could be collected and disposed of in some way.

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            • #7
              Also, it could have started out less salty and grown more salty over time.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                well, it looks like in teh future Mars will be covered in robots!
                Won't that lead to the decadent fall of mankind?
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                • #9
                  Not to worry Zkrib, skull sucking locust aliens come from 'the void'.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sandman
                    The rover may have stumbled across a very salty patch, an old Martian Dead Sea, perhaps. If the salt is widespread, it'll make colonisation more difficult.
                    OTOH there's money to be made with salt-mining.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zevico

                      Originally posted by AAHZ

                      well, it looks like in teh future Mars will be covered in robots!


                      Won't that lead to the decadent fall of mankind?
                      Serena Butler will save the day.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                        Also, it could have started out less salty and grown more salty over time.
                        Makes you wonder about the 'liquid water = life' attitude that's often aired, though. For all we know, there are billions of sterile seas out there in the galaxy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sandman


                          Makes you wonder about the 'liquid water = life' attitude that's often aired, though. For all we know, there are billions of sterile seas out there in the galaxy.
                          the attitude I've seen has always been absence of liquid water = no life.

                          I've never seen the liquid water = life attitude.

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                          • #14


                            I need a foot massage

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                            • #15
                              I get that impression from stuff like this. Though they don't say it explicitly, just heavy hints.

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