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  • Bush takes aim at U.S. Satellite.

    US plans to shoot down satellite
    The Pentagon wants to shoot the craft down from a ship

    The US military is planning to shoot down a broken spy satellite due to crash land on Earth in the next few weeks, the Pentagon has announced. President George W Bush approved the option to fire a missile from a US Navy ship to destroy the satellite before it enters the atmosphere, officials said.

    They say the satellite contains a hazardous material which could be fatal if inhaled by humans.

    A US general denied claims that the main aim was to destroy secret parts.

    General James Cartwright said confidential components would be burned up in the atmosphere and, in any case, that would not be a reason for shooting down the satellite.

    He said the National Reconnaissance Office "bird", launched in December 2006, had lost power and communications shortly after it entered space and a controlled re-entry was not possible.

    The broken satellite had been predicted to reach the top of the Earth's atmosphere towards the end of February or early March and officials could not predict where it would land.

    The general said the window of opportunity for the strike would open in the next three or four days and last for about a week.

    Deputy National Security Adviser James Jeffries said thousands of space objects fell to Earth each year, without threat to humans.

    BROKEN SATELLITE
    Owner: National Reconnaissance Office satellite
    Mission: Classified
    Launched: Dec 2006
    Weight: 5,000lb (2,270 kg)
    2,500lb could survive re-entry
    Carrying hydrazine rocket fuel

    "What makes this case is a little bit different... was the likelihood that the satellite upon descent to the Earth's surface could release much of its 1,000lb plus (454 kg) of its hydrazine fuel as a toxic gas," he said.

    He said it was unlikely to hit a populated area, but "there was enough of a risk for the president to be quite concerned about human life".

    The hydrazine rocket fuel, which would have been used up had the satellite been operational, is in a tank that would survive re-entry.

    Gen Cartwright said that exposure to the hydrazine would have similar effects to inhaling chlorine or ammonia - a burning sensation in lungs and, if too close and too much, then possibly death.

    If the hydrazine tank did burst, the danger zone would be an area covering the size of two football pitches. He said that blowing the satellite up would disperse the hydrazine harmlessly in space, leaving only small-scale satellite debris to fall harmlessly to Earth.

    One shot

    The US Navy plans to modify a Standard Missile 3 to be launched from an Aegis destroyer - usually part of the US Missile Defense System designed to intercept ballistic missiles.

    Gen Cartwright said they planned to have one missile shot, but there would be three missiles available on three ships. If the first attempt was unsuccessful, a decision would be made whether a second attempt was required.

    It must be done before it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere, otherwise the craft would be "next to impossible" to hit because of atmospheric disturbances.

    "We are better off taking the attempt than not," Gen Cartwright said.

    The general added that the space shuttle, currently on a mission to the International Space Station, would be back on Earth before the attempt was made.

    China test

    The largest uncontrolled re-entry by a US space agency (Nasa) craft was the abandoned Skylab space station in 1979.

    Last year, China carried out a test using a ground-based ballistic missile to destroy a satellite in space, prompting international alarm and fears of a space arms race.

    Gen Cartwright said there was no parallel with Beijing's actions as the Chinese satellite had been much further out from Earth, meaning its debris could be floating round for decades, endangering spacecraft.
    I'll bet the satellite whups his sorry arse.
    Last edited by Zkribbler; February 14, 2008, 21:47.

  • #2
    This will be embarrassing if the US fails to hit it.
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    • #3
      It would be much cooler if we sent up a crack team of roughnecks to blow it up.

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      • #4


        Personally I'd need to know more about where it may land before I can take a position on the "shoot down" idea.
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        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Aeson
          It would be much cooler if we sent up a crack team of roughnecks to blow it up.
          I think we should hire some of them there suicide bombers fellas and shoot them up in a rocket.

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          • #6
            Shooting this down for safety reasons makes no sense, given the cost of ASAT missiles. (Maybe since it's descending, they can hit it with a regular air-to-air missile, but that still seems pointless...)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              Shooting this down for safety reasons makes no sense, given the cost of ASAT missiles. (Maybe since it's descending, they can hit it with a regular air-to-air missile, but that still seems pointless...)
              The whole thing's actually a cover to test the ASAT.

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              • #8
                That's the obvious conclusion, yes. But I wasn't aware that we were doing significant R&D in that area - we tested ASAT missiles decades ago, IIRC.

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                • #9
                  Also to prevent the thing from landing on Russia or China and letting them see what real technology looks like.
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                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    It's going to fly through the atmosphere at thousands of miles per hour, burn up, hit the ground and explode, according the articles I've seen. I don't think there's going to be anything salvageable...

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                    • #11
                      Maybe not, but I recall Russian space junk landing on us a couple decades ago. There was still stuff to be seen.
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                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Anyway, in such a situation it'd be a lot more efficient to bomb it with a B-2. IIRC an ASAT missile is on the order of $100 million.

                        edit: oh, I missed the part where they said they're modifying a normal antiair missile. Now the testing makes sense - the ASAT weapon I was thinking about can only be air-launched, and wiki says we only ever built 15 of them.

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                        • #13
                          More likely it's a test of the ABM system. If you can shoot down a satellite you can shot down a warhead.

                          The safety angle is completely bogus as Kuci says, though not for the reason he says it. If there's a dangerous material on board, it's still coming down whether it burns up in the atmosphere as a single piece or rains down and burns up in many pieces.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            The safety angle is completely bogus as Kuci says, though not for the reason he says it. If there's a dangerous material on board, it's still coming down whether it burns up in the atmosphere as a single piece or rains down and burns up in many pieces.


                            Bzzzt. If it disperses as a gas and you blow it up in the upper atmosphere, it's never going to reach the ground in appreciable concentrations.

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                            • #15
                              They're doing this to show the world that, hey, China ain't the only nation capable of blasting satellites into rubble.

                              Anti-satellite know-how has been around for some time, but I don't think the Soviet Union or the U.S. actually ever shot down a satellite. So far, only China has done so.

                              And, yes, it'll be humiliating if they miss.

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