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  • Cuomo: Health Insurance Rates "Rigged" for 70% of Americans

    Major health insurers accused of rigging rates

    N.Y.'s attorney general, saying 70% of Americans with coverage may be affected, intends to sue over the firms' out-of-network payment practices.

    By Lisa Girion, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer


    The nation's largest health insurers -- including UnitedHealth Group, Health Net, Aetna and Cigna -- have been cheating patients by rigging the rates companies pay physicians and forcing consumers to pay higher medical bills, New York law enforcement authorities said today.

    New York Atty. Gen. Andrew M. Cuomo said the alleged scheme could affect 70% of Americans with health insurance coverage.

    At the heart of the case, he said, is Ingenix, a company that sells data the insurers use to decide how much they will reimburse patients for out-of-network visits to physicians.

    Cuomo said that insurance companies typically use the data to lowball the amount they pay these out-of-network doctors and that most policies require consumers to make up the difference.

    Ingenix data are used by the nation's five largest insurers, including its parent company, UnitedHealth Group, which also operates PacifiCare in California.

    Cuomo notified Ingenix, UnitedHealth and three other subsidiaries today that he intended to sue them over practices he said were unfair, riddled with conflicts of interest and costly for consumers.

    United said it would cooperate with the investigation and defended the integrity of Ingenix data, saying it was "rigorously developed, geographically specific, comprehensive and organized using a transparent methodology that is very common in the healthcare industry."

    Cuomo's office also delivered subpoenas demanding information from 16 other insurers that do business with Ingenix, including Aetna, Cigna and a New York-based subsidiary of WellPoint Inc., the parent of Blue Cross of California.

    WellPoint's New York subsidiary, Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield, said it had relied on the Ingenix data for many years because it was "one of the only companies that could provide" it. Empire also said it was cooperating.

    "We have been providing information for the past several years to the office of the attorney general as they reviewed various related market questions," Empire Chief Executive Mark Wager said in a statement.

    If any of the information is found to be inaccurate or improperly determined, he said, the company would consider all remedies to protect its members in New York.

    It was not clear whether Blue Cross of California and other WellPoint companies relied on the Ingenix billing data in question.

    The allegations come on the heels of a complaint filed against United by California Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner last month. Poizner is seeking a $1.3-billion fine after his investigators found 133,000 alleged instances of mishandled patient claims by United after its purchase of PacifiCare in 2006.

    Noting the California allegations, American Medical Assn. President-elect Nancy Nielsen said Cuomo's complaint suggested a broader pattern of improper business practices and "calls into question the validity of a system that health insurers have used for years to reimburse physicians and their enrolled members."

    Cuomo said his investigation targeted different practices than were under scrutiny in California. But he said the two agencies could share information as necessary. He also said he would seek changes in insurers' reimbursement practices that would help patients nationwide.

    The investigation began six months ago and found that Ingenix operates an allegedly defective and manipulated database that most major health insurance companies use to set reimbursement rates for out-of-network medical expenses, New York state officials said.

    New York officials said 70% of people with health insurance are on plans that require them to pay a higher fee for the right to use physicians who are not under contract with their carrier. Such out-of-network arrangements often require the insurance company to pay 80% of "reasonable and customary" rates for physician services.

    The investigation found that poor and distorted data from Ingenix allowed insurers to keep their reimbursements down by lowballing local market rates for various types of physician services, investigators said.

    For example, the investigators said, insurers knew that most physicians charged $200 for a routine visit. But the insurers, using Ingenix data, claimed to their members that the typical rate was $77. Applying the 80% reimbursement rate, they covered only $62, leaving the patient to pay $132 out of pocket.

    "Getting insurance companies to keep their promises and cover medical costs can be hard enough as it is," Cuomo said at a news conference. "But when insurers like United create convoluted and dishonest systems for determining the rate of reimbursement, real people get stuck with excessive bills and are less likely to seek the care they need."

  • #2
    Cheating insurance companies.
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    • #3
      Ewww. Privatised healthcare. :q
      Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
      -Richard Dawkins

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        Cheating insurance companies.
        Capitalism at work
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starchild
          Ewww. Privatised healthcare. :q
          It's the absence of market forces in our healthcare system that is creating the problems.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Having lived under both systems, I'll stick take the NHS anyday.
            Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
            -Richard Dawkins

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanS


              It's the absence of market forces in our healthcare system that is creating the problems.
              Indeed... the question is, can market forces ever properly regulate healthcare?
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              • #8
                Regulation is the gov't's job, not the market's.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  You should know well what I mean by regulate.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    Cheating insurance companies.
                    Always worried about the big companies there aren't you? I'm sure they are gratefull to you.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DanS


                      It's the absence of market forces in our healthcare system that is creating the problems.
                      As in people is too po.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                      • #12
                        Certainly, I think that market forces would provide cheaper, better services. If that's what you mean.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          Certainly, I think that market forces would provide cheaper, better services. If that's what you mean.
                          And how would you suggest our healthcare be changed such that it is affected by market forces?
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                          I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            Certainly, I think that market forces would provide cheaper, better services. If that's what you mean.
                            Yep, because poor people would get any treatment.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #15
                              Overall, you have to allow supply to meet demand.

                              As just one example, the supply of doctors is artificially constrained. The profession is based on credentials that must be obtained from schools with a limited number of slots. The schools only offer graduate degrees. The profession has specialties, sub specialties, and sub-sub specialties. The training process takes a lot of time and money to traverse (far more than any other profession of which I am aware), which means that only those willing to pay (or borrow) the money and opportunity costs need apply. Also, only those who are willing to work in nearly unbearable conditions during training need apply.

                              There are other ways of doing things. In other countries, a medical degree is an undergraduate program. They have far fewer specialties and sub-specialties. Their workloads during training are better suited to sane individuals.

                              Encouraging processes that would allow more people to succeed being doctors would go a long way toward allowing supply to meet demand.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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