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    Marines can stay in Berkeley, without an apology from City Council
    By Doug Oakley
    Bay Area News Group
    Article Launched: 02/13/2008 05:21:16 AM PST

    The Berkeley City Council attempted to make nice with U.S. Marines recruiters today by taking back a letter it planned to send calling the Corps 'uninvited and unwelcome intruders' in the city.

    But a motion to formally apologize failed.

    Instead the City Council with a 7-2 vote at 1 a.m. sought to clarify one of its Jan. 29 Marines motions with new language that recognizes "the recruiters' right to locate in our city and the right of others to protest or support their presence."

    The new statement also said the council opposes "the recruitment of our young people into this war."

    The council heard testimony from about 100 people who came from as far away as Colorado to weigh in on the issue.

    At the same time, the council let stand four other items it passed at its previous meeting, including one encouraging "all people to avoid cooperation with the Marine Corps recruiting station," another asking the city attorney to investigate whether the recruiting station is breaking the city's law against discrimination based on sexual orientation and two items giving the peace group Code Pink a free weekly parking space and sound permit to protest at the Shattuck Avenue recruiting station once a week.

    Berkeley High School student Lily Wynkoop, 14, told the council she would like to see the recruiters leave town. The recruiting office is a few blocks from the high school.

    "We should feel safe on our own school grounds," Wynkoop said. "But when come around, that's not the environment we get. To those who say Berkeley is un-American, we say we love America, but we hate war."

    On the other side of the spectrum of those who got to speak for one minute each was Debbie Lee who came from Arizona. Lee is the mother of Marc Lee, a Navy Seal who died in Iraq last year.

    "My son gave up his life for this country, for you me and everyone in this room," Lee said. "I'm appalled at what the City Council has done. You tell us (the Marines) are not welcome in your city, that's appalling. You have offended us deeply. They are not murderers, and you owe them an apology."
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    Re: We dont want Army recruiters near our schools!

    Originally posted by MarkG
    "My son gave up his life for this country, for you me and everyone in this room," Lee said. "I'm appalled at what the City Council has done. You tell us (the Marines) are not welcome in your city, that's appalling. You have offended us deeply. They are not murderers, and you owe them an apology."[/q]
    That's stupid. They don't want the recruiters there because they don't want more kids to die in the war. They didn't say that Marines weren't welcome. The City Council specifically used that language.
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    • #3
      Wasn't there a thread on this subject a ways back?
      Keep on Civin'
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      • #4
        Yes there was, but this is a new article.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ming
          Wasn't there a thread on this subject a ways back?
          Yes. Mark is just too lazy to remember he included a search function for a reason.

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          • #6
            Case closed!
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            • #7
              He could at least have mentioned the fact they are surrendering to the Marines because some in Congress were making moves to threaten the Fed monies they get.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                He could at least have mentioned the fact they are surrendering to the Marines because some in Congress were making moves to threaten the Fed monies they get.
                It's Bay Area News Group. Not Okiehomie Press.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kidicious
                  It's Bay Area News Group. Not Okiehomie Press.
                  What does that have to do with Mark being lazy?
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    What does that have to do with Mark being lazy?
                    I don't dispute that Mark is lazy.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kidicious
                      Yes there was, but this is a new article.
                      More specifically:

                      The earlier thread concentrated on whether it was legal/constitutional for a city to expell Marine recruiters.

                      With this new stance by the Berkeley City Council, the previous question is now mooted.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ming
                        Wasn't there a thread on this subject a ways back?
                        two weeks ago. what's your point?
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                        • #13
                          Now he's calling you out, Ming. I think he's daring you to lock the thread now that a link to the original one is posted.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: We dont want Army recruiters near our schools!

                            Originally posted by Kidicious


                            That's stupid. They don't want the recruiters there because they don't want more kids to die in the war. They didn't say that Marines weren't welcome. The City Council specifically used that language.
                            That's stupid reasoning, Kid.

                            As an aside, I find it interesting that over half of veteran suicides are those people that were in the National Guard or Reserves. Or said another way, those that thought they'd be weekend warriors pulling down extra money and were unprepared for a dose of reality.
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                              Re: Re: Re: We dont want Army recruiters near our schools!

                              Originally posted by SlowwHand


                              That's stupid reasoning, Kid.

                              As an aside, I find it interesting that over half of veteran suicides are those people that were in the National Guard or Reserves. Or said another way, those that thought they'd be weekend warriors pulling down extra money and were unprepared for a dose of reality.
                              What about the other half?
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