This day 65 years ago

[Serb]

Originally posted by Elok
It's been a while since my HS history classes covered this...weren't the people of Stalingrad basically trapped like rats? I seem to recall the books saying that Stalin threatened to kill anyone who left the city in the face of the Nazis. So it wasn't that they were steel-hearted so much as they were more afraid of Stalin than they were of Nazi soldiers. Just what I read a while ago and never cared enough to confirm or debunk.

BS. I'm not surprised though.

[Wezil]

Stalin wouldn't do that Elok. Uncle Joe was a sweety that loved everyone except Nazis.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Elok
It's been a while since my HS history classes covered this...weren't the people of Stalingrad basically trapped like rats? I seem to recall the books saying that Stalin threatened to kill anyone who left the city in the face of the Nazis. So it wasn't that they were steel-hearted so much as they were more afraid of Stalin than they were of Nazi soldiers. Just what I read a while ago and never cared enough to confirm or debunk.

They had enough riffles to shoot all the deserters in the back with but not enough to give the soldiers at the front.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I kind of wonder how Stalin could accept a gift, even a token gift, from the King of England. I mean I understand that at the peace conference ending the war with Japan Stalin sent other people because he thought it would be unseemly for a communist leader to possibly talk to the Emperor of Japan.

I also understand Stalin and Churchill would often butt heads due to Stalin continually saying Churchill was a lackey for his imperialist masters.

There are certain things you do for diplomacy, especially in the midst of a world war when the most powerful country in the world is invading you.

Stalin also craved respectability from the Western powers. Remember, he was just a Georgian nobody before he joined the Bolsheviks and well before he became dictator of the biggest country on Earth. Stalin kowtowed before the West frequently before and after the war until it finally got through his thick skull that his mere existence was offensive to the West, and nothing he could do was gonna change it. That's why he sabotaged the revolutions in Spain, Italy, and China, though Mao was smart enough not to be reliant on Stalin, and was able to make the revolution in China despite Stalin aiding Chiang Kai-Shek.

[Serb]

"I represent this scroll to the City of Stalingrad to commemorate our admiration for its gallant defenders whose courage, fortitude, and devotion during the siege of September 13, 1942 to January 31, 1943 will inspire forever the hearts of all free people."

Looks like Roosevelt was wrong. After just 65 years you call them rats.

****ers

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Sandman
Or it may have given Speer more time to whip the German economy into shape.

The German economy was whipped up more than any economy has ever been whipped up and might ever be. You can't make an economy bigger without new lands.

[Wezil]

WW2 leaders in the west were prepared to turn a blind eye to the evils of Stalin and the Soviet system in order to defeat Facism.

I have no need to turn a blind eye.

[Wezil]

Kid - Even if Sandman's premise was true... extra capacity would have been required to extend the siege. In the end I still see a defeated Germany and a much weaker Soviet.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Serb
"I represent this scroll to the City of Stalingrad to commemorate our admiration for its gallant defenders whose courage, fortitude, and devotion during the siege of September 13, 1942 to January 31, 1943 will inspire forever the hearts of all free people."

Looks like Roosvelt was wrong. After just 65 years you call them rats.

****ers

Not to take anything away from the people who fought there but I don't think that Roosevelt approved of Russian militarism despite that statement.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Wezil
WW2 leaders in the west were prepared to turn a blind eye to the evils of Stalin and the Soviet system in order to defeat Facism.

I have no need to turn a blind eye.

Íó è ïîøåë òû íà õóé, óðîä.

Thread closed.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil
Kid - Even if Sandman's premise was true... extra capacity would have been required to extend the siege. In the end I still see a defeated Germany and a much weaker Soviet.

That's the point I was trying to make, that the German's needed more capacity (more land, people etc) to do anything further with their economy.

[Wezil]

Kid - I happen to agree with you. I think they were already running full out.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb
Heresson, get out of this thread. I can't hear you anyway.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


Íó è ïîøåë òû íà õóé, óðîä.

Thread closed.

What a *****. You can dish it out but can't take it?

Heroes of Stalingrad

Fanatic neo-fascists

[Perfection]

Where's the sword now?