Prison Break!

[Dinner]

So it is all Israel's fault that the Egyptians have a fence on their border? :???:

[rah]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Oh wait, you're American. Your country was built on the genocidal clearance of the Native Americans - it is little wonder that since you yourself have directly profited by this sort of act, you should support it when it happens elsewhere...

Are you implying that the British have never profited from brutalizing other people?

and I doubt he has DIRECTLY profited by it.

[Arrian]

My dear Moby,

My simple point is that everything you argue wrt the Israeli/Palestinian dispute starts from the central premise that the Israeli state is illegitimate. If one believes that, the specific issues hardly matter. You will side with the Pals the overwhelming majority of the time, because you believe they were wronged and thus things they do are understandable responses to said wrong, whereas Israeli actions are, pretty much by definition, not not legit. If the state shouldn't even exist, actions taken to defend said state aren't going to be viewed as legit, are they? That does NOT mean that if you think Israel has a right to exist everything it does in the name of security is permissable.

Meanwhile, as the Pals were wronged, things they do in response will be viewed as legit, or at least understandable:

Seriously, what would any of us do if we'd been subjected to that sort of callous oppression for the last 40 years!!?

You have resigned yourself to accepting the existence of the Israeli state only because you recognize that doing away with it isn't feasible. So there really isn't anything to discuss with you on this topic. All you are interested in doing is ranting against Israel. Any discussion of the topic that differs from your position leads to more ranting, in this case a rant about the genocide of the Native Americans and how that incident explains my cold, black heart.

-Arrian

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Oerdin
So it is all Israel's fault that the Egyptians have a fence on their border? :???:

They built it after the jews escaped.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Really? It will be interesting to see how anyone with even an ounce of compassion could possibly justify a collective punishment strategy

Such as say, detonating a bomb in a cafe, or firing rockets willy nilly into an Israeli town ?


Which individuals were singled out for punishment there?

[SlowwHand]

Re: Prison Break!

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Gazans flood through Egypt border



This is just the latest and more overt than usual example of Israel's ongoing efforts to crush the spirit and will of the people inside what is effectively just a large open air prison...

Anything to justify its continued theft and colonisation of Palestinian land, not to mention the stripping of its resources.

There can be no peace in the Middle East while Israel continues its barbaric and inhumane collective punishment policies...!

Cry me a river.