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    Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow

    The BA flight crash-landed at Heathrow Airport

    A passenger plane has crash-landed short of a runway at Heathrow Airport after losing its rear undercarriage.

    All 136 passengers and 16 crew escaped from the British Airways flight BA038 from Beijing. 13 people have been taken to hospital with minor injuries.

    An airport worker told the BBC the pilot on the Boeing 777 had said he had lost all power, and had been forced to glide the plane into land.

    All BA short-haul flights from Heathrow have been cancelled and others delayed.

    The worker also said the pilot had told him all the electronics had also failed.

    "He said he had no warning - it just went," the worker added.

    "It's a miracle. The man deserves a medal as big as a frying pan."

    BA refused to comment on the report and said it would not speculate on the cause of the crash.

    Police say the incident was not terror-related.

    'Enormous bang'

    Nearby Hillingdon Hospital is treating 13 casualties, nine men and four women. Four of those admitted are BA crew members, but the pilot is not thought to be among them.

    Director of operations Jacqueline Totterdell said most would be discharged later on Thursday, but one woman would be admitted overnight. She said some were suffering from whiplash.

    Seven of those in hospital are British and three are Chinese. The nationalities of the others are not yet known.

    BA said one of those injured had a broken leg.

    The incident happened on the south runway at 1242 GMT, as Prime Minister Gordon Brown was due to leave Heathrow for China and India. His flight was delayed because of the incident.

    The runway was initially closed, but reopened later to take-offs only. The north runway remained open throughout the incident.

    A telephone helpline has been set up for anyone concerned about friends or relatives on 0800 3894193.

    The Department of Transport's Air Accidents Investigation Branch has launched an investigation.

    'On its belly'

    Paul Venter, who was on board the plane, said he had been aware of a problem just as the plane was about to land.

    "I could hear the undercarriage come out, and the next moment the plane just dropped," Mr Venter said.

    "When everything came to a standstill, I looked out of the window and the undercarriage was gone and the plane was on its belly."

    Eyewitness John Rowland, who was driving on the nearby M4 motorway, said: "The plane's wheels collapsed, doors were flown open.

    "On its approach it took the runway too low, just missing the roof of my cab.

    "It crashed into the runway, debris was flying everywhere, there was an enormous bang and it skidded sideways."

    Another eyewitness, also a taxi driver, said the plane flew over "so low you would think you could lean out the window and touch it".

    "It passed over my vehicle at something like 20ft and over the perimeter [fence] at 15ft before it plunged into the runway," he told the BBC.

    'Near miracle'

    BA said the cabin crew had done an "excellent job" evacuating passengers via the emergency chutes.

    Chief executive of BA Willie Walsh said he was "very proud" of the crew and the Boeing 777 was an "excellent aircraft".

    "We train hard for incidents such as this, and all that training has paid off today," Mr Walsh said.

    Aviation expert Kieran Daly, from Flight International magazine, said not a single Boeing 777 had been lost in a crash since the aircraft was launched in 1995.


    More than 90 flights had been cancelled at Heathrow by 1530 GMT. Some flights bound for Heathrow are being diverted to Stansted and Luton Airports, and others have been cancelled.

    John McDonnell MP, whose Hayes and Harlington constituency includes Heathrow, said the incident underlined concerns about extending the airport.

    "This is a near miracle that neither passengers or anyone on the ground has been seriously injured," Mr McDonnell said.

    The plane involved is one of 43 Boeing 777s in BA's fleet. It is believed to be about six years old.


    No one was seriously hurt, but still a big deal. It was a long-haul flight from China, maybe ran out of fuel -- but should've had low fuel warnings. Interesting to see how this develops.
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  • #2
    VERY fortunate.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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    • #3
      "First time we fly to America, we get halfway across, we
      run outta gas. So we gotta go back. Second time we
      take plennya gas, we get almost all the way across, and
      whaddya know? We run outta gas. So we gotta go back.
      Third time, we take-a the boat."
      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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      • #4
        Why would the electronics go off if fuel was gone? Does it solely supply electricity via the fuel engine... that would disturb me, the electronics are very important to have if fuel goes out and you need to crash-land I'd think.

        On another note, I particularly am amused at the ability of politicians to turn ANYTHING into a political issue...
        John McDonnell MP, whose Hayes and Harlington constituency includes Heathrow, said the incident underlined concerns about extending the airport.

        I wonder if he'd have had the gall to say that if people had died...
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        • #5
          Not that different, though no crash :



          Coffee Grounds Qantas
          <"Charles Wood" >
          Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:39:51 +0900

          Qantas Flight QF2 from London To Sydney via BKK (Bangkok) (a Boeing 747-400)
          suffered a total AC electrical loss 15 minutes before landing at BKK on 8
          January 2008. The effect of the AC loss was that all AC powered equipment
          in the aircraft stopped working and the crew was forced to revert to standby
          battery power for instrumentation. A number of electrically controlled
          sub-systems were disabled. Some passenger cabin services were re/started
          including emergency lighting. The crew landed successfully at BKK but with
          reduced functionality. Power was available only to the Captains PFD, ND and
          standby Attitude indicator. They also had to contend with alt gear/flap
          extension, no anti-skid, no autobrakes, and no thrust reverser.

          Inspection of the aircraft showed that water from the first class galley had
          overflowed down onto the sub-floor E racks which contained the GCU's
          (controllers for engine generators) and BPCU (backup PCU) All controllers
          were disabled resulting in total loss of AC power. The remaining power
          source was the inverter that generated power from the backup battery.
          Luckily his was out of reach of the flood so kept working.

          Extrapolation of this event to long-haul flights over sea would have seen
          loss of all navigation aids and communications, and reliance of the crew on
          basic aids - if available - such as magnetic compass and sight of stars or
          sun.

          The incident cause was most probably a combination of factors and events
          that finally resulted in a major problem.

          1. The fiberglass drip shield above the E rack had a crack that allowed
          water to drip through.
          2. The last C check at Avalon depot did not discover and remedy the crack.
          (QF maintenance as opposed to outsourced).
          NB. As of 11 January ABC Radio News disclosed that six other QF x --
          747's were found to have cracked drip trays.
          3. Flooding of the first class cabin from the galley is a regular
          occurrence, usually from ice trays but also from blocked drains.
          4. When the galley floods the water goes down onto the equipment bay
          directly below.
          5. The galley drains in first class on OJM at BKK were blocked by coffee
          grounds.
          6. Qantas has changed from 'pillow' style coffee bags to ground coffee
          machines - based on cost saving. This results in the possibility of coffee
          grounds being dumped in the galley sinks.
          7. First class in Qantas has a cappuccino machine (also producing coffee
          grounds).

          When you look at it, there are a number of problems that in their own right
          are perhaps acceptable but in conjunction are a major problem.

          - Fundamentally the overflow system for the galley should have been forced
          to flow to non critical areas.
          - The rack drip tray should have been sound and if not the inspection should
          have picked that up and remedied it.
          - The drainage system in the galley should have been immune to blockage.
          - The cabin staff should have been trained to avoid provoking blockages in
          the drain system.
          - Qantas should have avoided operational changes (coffee system) that would
          enable cabin staff to block the drain system.

          As a final note. If Seven QF 744 aircraft have cracked drip trays, how many
          aircraft with other operators have the same problem?

          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #6
            Now let's all be honest here - how many airline pasengers has Airbus killed so far? How many Boeing?

            North American arrogance = lol

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ecthy
              Now let's all be honest here - how many airline pasengers has Airbus killed so far? How many Boeing?

              North American arrogance = lol
              This would actually be an interesting project for you, seeing as you have no other value to society.

              Determine the following:
              1) How many commercial flights Airbus and Boeing have had
              2) How many people died as a result of design flaws or mechanical failures that weren't a result of shoddy maintenance

              Anything less would just be typical lack of European knowledge.
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              • #8
                Here's something I just quickly discovered, comparing two modern competitors:

                Boeing 777: 672 planes, 0 fatalities, 1 hull loss since it entered service in 1994.
                Airbus A340: 347 planes, 0 fatalities, 5 hull losses since it entered service in 1993.
                Airbus A330: 505 planes, 7 fatalities, 3 hull losses since it entered service in 1994.

                Looks to me that both are reasonably safe, but one is clearly better than the other.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ecthy
                  Now let's all be honest here - how many airline pasengers has Airbus killed so far? How many Boeing?

                  North American arrogance = lol
                  Who's being arrogant? You're the one trying to turn this crash into a way to deride Boeing.

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                  • #10
                    Sounds like they have been extremly lucky.
                    Doesn´t the Total loss of power also mean that he lost all avionics, as the plane is steered by FBW (meaning that they were lucky to be on final and just before touchdown), or did they have at least a little bit emergency power to retain some rudimentary steering capability?
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                    • #11
                      Hydrolics probably have a backup of some sort.
                      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                        Sounds like they have been extremly lucky.
                        Doesn´t the Total loss of power also mean that he lost all avionics, as the plane is steered by FBW (meaning that they were lucky to be on final and just before touchdown), or did they have at least a little bit emergency power to retain some rudimentary steering capability?
                        At least for flights such as the Gimli Glider (a 757 IIRC), a wind turbine automatically pops out in the event of total power failure which permits basic flight movements.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ecthy
                          Now let's all be honest here - how many airline pasengers has Airbus killed so far? How many Boeing?

                          North American arrogance = lol
                          Airbus has fewer Total, but it hasn't been in existence for as long. Boeing is much safer, and this kind of fault would kill an airbus dead.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Asher
                            Anything less would just be typical lack of European knowledge.
                            Yes, folks who lack that can be such a pain in the butt.

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                            • #15
                              There's no such thing as European knowledge. It's a vacuum of stupidity. That's why people still live there.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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