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  • GM built a hybrid car in 1969. Managers said it was worthless.

    This isn't quite as bad as Ford refusing the offer to take over VW free of charge in 1945 or General Motors identical offer, and refusal, of Toyota Motor Company that same year but it goes to show American engineers come up with great ideas but stupid managers with their MBAs screw everything up. This is like the US television manufacturers refusing to produce color TVs because they said black & white was good enough (the Japanese didn't agree and took over the market) or the same electronics companies saying no one would buy a CD player so why not keep making cassette players?

    It seems in 1969 General Motors was trying to come up with ways to meet new auto emissions standards and deal with rising fuel costs. A group of brilliant engineers came up with the XP-883 hybrid-drive commuter car which looked something like a cross between a Chevy Vega and a Ford Pinto only it featured a small 4 cylinder engine tied to an electric motor and battery pack. It would have drastically cut emissions and raised fuel economy.



    GM's management had other ideas though. They killed the hybred car and started a HUGE political lobbying campaign in Washington declaring that the new emissions laws, set to take effect in 1972, were impossible to meet and unreasonable. Sound familiar? When law makers refused to back down the big three even detuned their engines cutting horse power by 50% hoping consumer complaints would force law makers to back down. The Japanese just went about making good cars which met the new standards and began eating up market share.

    Making wild claims, calling things impossible, and briding politicians has been a favorite tactic of the big 3 for over half a century. They've done it consistently time and again; making such claims when law makers demanded they make cars which could run on unleaded gas (Big 3 said it couldn't be done, it was done and atmospheric lead fell by 80%), they made the same claims and lobbying efforts when California passed the world's first emissions law in 1957, again when the Feds passed an auto emissions law in 1962, when emissions laws were toughened in both 65 and 69, when the Feds created crash safety standards in the 70's, and today they claim it is impossible to make cars go 35 miles per gallon. **** those liars.

    Anyway, here's the article on the original hybrid car.

    Hybrid Car Ready in 1969

    Who killed the hybrid car?

    In this 1969 Popular Science article, 2 Editors get a chance to check out GM’s new Pinto-Vega-looking XP-883 hybrid-drive commuter car, and love it.

    As far as I know, GM never dispatched (then withdrew and crushed) a test fleet like they did with the wildly popular EV1 in California.
    PopSci Says in 1969:

    “It’s the best low-emission small car proposed yet, and has both a gasoline and an electric motor.”

    “With all-independent suspension, front-wheel drive, a low center of gravity, and wide track (49 inches), the XP883 should be great fun to drive. But whether, and when, you’ll drive one is something that the GM chiefs haven’t made up their minds about yet. ”
    Last edited by Dinner; January 13, 2008, 23:57.
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  • #2
    Lots of good ideas have been fumbled.

    In the early days of computers, Xerox made lots of breakthroughs, including inventing the mouse, but never put them on the market.

    Transistors, IIRC, were given to Japan because we couldn't figure out what to do with them.

    3M gave away Post-its...again, no idea what to do with them.

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    • #3
      I'd find it hard to believe that battery technology in the 1960s would have been up to making a reliable hybrid car... the batteries they use now are huge strides over previous batteries, thanks to the consumer electronics fad of the 1990s.
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      • #4
        So, this car had 48" rims? Is that what you're saying?
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        • #5
          Perhaps the car was only intended for short commuter trips so the batteries wouldn't need to be that powerful?

          GM has always been known to be a company packed with buffoons: big news
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            Yup. Made of pizza.
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            • #7
              At 35 cubic inches (about 575 cubic centimeters), the engine was small enough to bypass laws of the day mandating emissions control devices like catalytic converters. The batteries could be charged using a standard 115 volt wall outlet and could power the vehicle in all-electric mode in city driving. In hybrid mode, it had a maximum speed of 60 miles per hour (97 km/h), which could be reached in 28 seconds. 40 mph (64 km/h) could be attained in 12 seconds. The electric motor powered the car until it reached 10 mph (16 km/h), at which point the gasoline engine would kick in when running in hybrid mode. At cruising speeds, the gasoline engine would normally provide all of the power.


              The golden age of the muscle car was 1969-1970. They wanted to counter the Mustang, not build golf carts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by snoopy369
                I'd find it hard to believe that battery technology in the 1960s would have been up to making a reliable hybrid car... the batteries they use now are huge strides over previous batteries, thanks to the consumer electronics fad of the 1990s.
                They would've used lead acid batteries just like Toyota did with the first generation Prius in the 90's. The same batteries cars have been using since around 1900.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Harry Tuttle




                  The golden age of the muscle car was 1969-1970. They wanted to counter the Mustang, not build golf carts.
                  They already had the Camero, the Firebird, and the GTO by 1967. The problem was how to deal with new emissions laws for 1972 which they'd known about since 1967. The big 3 even declared catalytic converters to be unviable & to expensive though the Japanese found a way to make them work affordable. Imagine that; if you actually try to meet targets you can meet them.

                  The big 3 are pulling the same BS today with California's CO2 laws claiming they're impossible to meet even though several foreign automakers already do meet them. It's all a big lie.
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