BBC interviews the world's 8th most wanted Nazi war criminal.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by yaroslav


Torture? Common? In The European Union? In which country?

The Law encompassed also some countries not (yet) member of the EU.
Among them the turkey, which wuld be an example of countries which were the reason not to sign the law/treaty.

[Ecthy]

My distinction:

1. Extradition of citizens: country A sends A citizen to country B.

2. Extradition the "sending back" sense: country A sends B citizen to country B.

3. Extradition of third country citizens: country A sends B citizen to country

An extradition treaty can have any of these scenarios as a basis. The first case is not the only possible way of extradition. A country might just not care to extradite in any of these scenarios.

[LordShiva]

I think this guy wins teh "Most Dubious Claim to (In)Fame" award. Being a Nazi war criminal is bad enough, but he isn't even among teh top 7

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Germany has given many people around the world reason to think ill of them. To hold on to a Nazi, makes zip sense. Well, it makes zip sense if yiou give a damn about what the world thinks of complicity of the brazen murder of millions.
I guess if you don't care, it doesn't matter.
If I were running the German circus, I'd say, "Hell yes, take him". That's just me though.

Indeed it's just you. Only a brainfart would come up with such a statement in the current discussion.

[Arrian]

[yaroslav]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


The Law encompassed also some countries not (yet) member of the EU.
Among them the turkey, which wuld be an example of countries which were the reason not to sign the law/treaty.

Thanks for the info, and apologies if my tone was rude. I was writting from work, and in a hurry (in which case, I should have not open apolyton, but, you know... )

[yaroslav]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Yaro, I would expect those countries are South American. I'm not an expert on legal issues, but I can imagine that these are cases of countries with strong cultural tries putting so much trust into each other that they actually do extradit. Beyond that, extradition of citizens is a very rare matter.

My apologies. I know realize that I was thinking in extradition of citiziens of country A from country B to country A (ie, Spaniards in other countries) .

I have been checking in this page of Wiki and I see this for the European Arrest Warrant

The European Arrest Warrant (EAW, or more rarely, EUAW) is an arrest warrant to allow the arrest of criminal suspects and their transfer for trial or detention which is valid throughout the states of the European Union (EU). The EAW is an attempt to increase the speed of extradition throughout EU countries, as well as change the mechanism from having a "political and administrative phase" into a system run by the judiciary.

....

The legislation for the EAW came into force for 8 of the then 15 EU States on January 1, 2004, with the remaining 7 States missing the deadline. The States that had implemented the legislation on time were Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom. However, by 1 November 2004 all EU States had implemented the legislation except for Italy, which adopted it on 22 April 2005 (L 69/2005)[2].

However, it is not clear whether that applies only to foreign people in German soil, becuase in this other page of Wiki.

IIRC, Spain does have not such a restriction.

Some countries, such as France, Russian Federation, Germany, Austria, China and Japan, have laws that forbid extraditing their respective citizens

[Provost Harrison]

Denmark should take him by military force!

[Dinner]

Wouldn't the Canadian use that distraction to invade Hans Island?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
If I remembr correctly there was some kind of EU wie law that germany deliberately didn´t sign.

Content of the law was to make it easier to extradite people to other countries if people were searched in those countries for any crims.

We didn´t sign it because it would mean that we would also be forced to extradite people to other signatory states, where things like torture are still common and therefore the extradiction would be incompatible wirth the grman constitutional law.

Which EU states still use torture?
If Germany refuses to extradite Nazi war criminals then it has an obligation to bring them to justice in Germany, after all, this man was enlisted in the German army at the time of his crimes.
Furthermore, has Germany had a policy of allowing persons having committed war crimes to attain German citizenship? In the US when you take the oath you have to testify that you are not wanted for criminal activities or have committed crimes in other countries. If you are found to have lied when you were granted citizenship your citizenship can be nullified and you can be deported back to your homeland. A number of Mafia were deported this way.

[Thoth]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Wouldn't the Canadian use that distraction to invade Hans Island?

The Canadian Navy has left port already, and is rowing towards Hans Island .

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
A number of Mafia were deported this way.

The Mafia doesn't exist.

It is just an ugly slur against Italian-Americans.

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by Wezil


The Mafia doesn't exist.

It is just an ugly slur against Italian-Americans.

Italian-American found! Which of the five families do you work for? I bet it's the Genovese.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Which EU states still use torture?
If Germany refuses to extradite Nazi war criminals then it has an obligation to bring them to justice in Germany, after all, this man was enlisted in the German army at the time of his crimes.
Furthermore, has Germany had a policy of allowing persons having committed war crimes to attain German citizenship? In the US when you take the oath you have to testify that you are not wanted for criminal activities or have committed crimes in other countries. If you are found to have lied when you were granted citizenship your citizenship can be nullified and you can be deported back to your homeland. A number of Mafia were deported this way.

If I read this corectly the german citizenship would have only been denied, if denmark had already persecuted him for his crimes during the time when he applied for the german citizenship.
As according to the article the warrant for his arrest was issued nowadays and not several decades ago there is no reason to revoke his german citizenship.

http://www.erlangen.de/de/desktopdefault.aspx/searchcall-136/searchcategory-273/noblendout-1/tabid-234/87_read-3099/

But as already stated, although we won´t extradite him to denmark there might be a chance that he might be tried in germany if there are enough references that support the accusations of the danish court.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


If I read this corectly the german citizenship would have only been denied, if denmark had already persecuted him for his crimes during the time when he applied for the german citizenship.
As according to the article the warrant for his arrest was issued nowadays and not several decades ago there is no reason to revoke his german citizenship.

http://www.erlangen.de/de/desktopdefault.aspx/searchcall-136/searchcategory-273/noblendout-1/tabid-234/87_read-3099/

But as already stated, although we won´t extradite him to denmark there might be a chance that he might be tried in germany if there are enough references that support the accusations of the danish court.

So if I moved to Germany, laid low long enough to get my citizenship, and then after I got my citizenship it was discovered that I was a notorious KKK race serial killer, having committed a series of bombings of black daycare centers, Germany wouldn't feel that I had obtained my citizenship under false pretenses and revoke it?