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  • #16
    Originally posted by Flubber
    Since I

    - support right to choose and health care coverage
    -hate mandatory sentencing even while I could support harsher sentences for certain crimes

    I come out as closest to the Dems it seems--
    The way the poll is written is interesting, very much in keeping with Fox's ideology, and makes it useless. Take 3 issues:

    1) Health care: the only question is whether to spend more money on it. All the Dems agree on that, as do one or two Repubs (iirc); the real issue is how much and toward what end. So the question is laregely useless, and turns the health care question into a mere government spending question.

    2) Guns. The question was whether you support an "absolute right" to own a gun. I guarantee that, with the possible exception of a GOP gadfly like Hunter, nobody in the race agrees with this statement -- the key is the word "absolute." But I'll bet all GOP candidates were scored on the "agree" side of the divide. Of course, that means that people with reading comprehension skills were told they agree with the Democrats, which is probably accurate.

    3) Iraq. My favorite. The only question about Iraq was whether we should pull out and let the UN take over -- like this is even an option. But phrasing the question that way means that there would be less agreement with the Dems than there would be if they'd used a statement like "We should withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible," since it keeps anti-UN types in the GOP fold. Even Sloww, famously in favor of getting out of Iraq right now, may well have disagreed with the statement in the poll.
    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


      The way the poll is written is interesting, very much in keeping with Fox's ideology, and makes it useless. Take 3 issues:

      1) Health care: the only question is whether to spend more money on it. All the Dems agree on that, as do one or two Repubs (iirc); the real issue is how much and toward what end. So the question is laregely useless.

      2) Guns. The question was whether you support an "absolute right" to own a gun. I guarantee that, with the possible exception of a GOP gadfly like Hunter, nobody in the race agrees with this statement -- the key is the word "absolute." But I'll bet all GOP candidates were scored on the "agree" side of the divide. Of course, that means that people with reading comprehension skills were told they agree with the Democrats, which is probably accurate.

      3) Iraq. My favorite. The only question about Iraq was whether we should pull out and let the UN take over -- like this is even an option. But phrasing the question that way means that there would be less agreement with the Dems than there would be if they'd used a statement like "We should withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible," since it keeps anti-UN types in the GOP fold. Even Sloww, famously in favor of getting out of Iraq right now, may well have disagreed with the statement in the poll.
      I never doubted that the poll is too inaccurate to be anything other than the bluntest measure of preferences. How about the drug question linking harsher sentences to morality ??

      The questions give no mechanism to assess a nuanced position. The AA question was a good example of this too
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      • #18
        Exactly. The real function of the poll seems to be to get moderates to see themselves as Republicans.
        Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly; January 2, 2008, 20:54.
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        • #19
          Hunter, Thompson both 40%

          Hillary 30%! :barf:
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
            Exactly. The real function of the poll seems to be to get moderates to see themselves as Republicans.
            I disagree. I see myself as a conservative and a solid repug, yet the highest repug I had was Rudy at only 43% and I'm seeing scores of over 70% from some of the Demonrats.

            While I agree that this poll is pretty stupid and inaccurate, I dissagree that it's trying to push voters to vote repug.
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            • #21
              John McCain 43%
              John Edwards 40%
              Bill Richardson 38%

              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #22
                Sloww is a hippy liberal socialist
                THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                • #23
                  May have been because I didn't go hard right or left, and a few I didn't lean either way.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #24
                    Typical liberal.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #25
                      libetyperal
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SlowwHand
                        John McCain 43%
                        John Edwards 40%
                        Bill Richardson 38%

                        Makes sense to me. The opinions I've seen you express on Poly tend to be moderate and populist; those are the 3 guys running moderate, populist campaigns.

                        I gotta know though, Sloww -- what were your numbers for Hilary?
                        "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                        • #27
                          Higher than I would have thought. Not so many slots down. Maybe 33%.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #28
                            63% Chris Dodd
                            Democratic Sr Senator (CT) Dodd's answers


                            60% Dennis Kucinich
                            Democratic Representative (OH-10)


                            58% Hillary Clinton
                            Democratic Jr Senator (NY);
                            former First Lady


                            58% John Edwards
                            2004 Nominee for Vice President;
                            Former NC Senator

                            55% Joe Biden
                            Democratic Sr Senator (DE)

                            55% Mike Gravel
                            Former Senator (AK)

                            53% Barack Obama
                            Democratic Jr Senator (IL);
                            previously State Senator

                            40% Bill Richardson
                            Democratic NM Governor

                            30% John McCain
                            Republican Sr Senator (AZ);
                            2000 Primary Candidate for President

                            30% Ron Paul
                            Republican Representative (TX-14);
                            Libertarian nominee for President in 1988

                            20% Rudy Giuliani
                            Former Mayor of New York City;
                            Republican Candidate for 2000 Senate (NY)

                            18% Fred Thompson
                            Former Republican Senator (TN)

                            15% Mitt Romney
                            Retiring Republican MA Governor

                            10% Mike Huckabee
                            Republican AR Governor

                            3% Duncan Hunter
                            Republican Representative (CA-52)

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                            • #29
                              70% Chris Dodd
                              65% Hillary Clinton
                              65% Dennis Kucinich
                              60% Barack Obama
                              55% John Edwards
                              53% Joe Biden
                              50% Mike Gravel
                              43% Bill Richardson

                              40% Ron Paul

                              30% Rudy Giuliani
                              25% John McCain
                              13% Mitt Romney
                              13% Fred Thompson
                              10% Mike Huckabee
                              5% Duncan Hunter

                              OK, I'm honestly surprised Ron Paul got that high.
                              "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                              -Joan Robinson

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                              • #30
                                55% Chris Dodd
                                Democratic Sr Senator (CT)

                                55% John Edwards
                                2004 Nominee for Vice President;
                                Former NC Senator

                                53% Hillary Clinton
                                Democratic Jr Senator (NY);
                                former First Lady

                                53% Bill Richardson
                                Democratic NM Governor

                                50% Barack Obama
                                Democratic Jr Senator (IL);
                                previously State Senator

                                48% Joe Biden
                                Democratic Sr Senator (DE)

                                45% Dennis Kucinich
                                Democratic Representative (OH-10)

                                40% Mike Gravel
                                Former Senator (AK)

                                35% Rudy Giuliani
                                Former Mayor of New York City;
                                Republican Candidate for 2000 Senate (NY)

                                30% John McCain
                                Republican Sr Senator (AZ);
                                2000 Primary Candidate for President

                                23% Ron Paul
                                Republican Representative (TX-14);
                                Libertarian nominee for President in 1988

                                20% Mike Huckabee
                                Republican AR Governor

                                20% Fred Thompson
                                Former Republican Senator (TN)

                                15% Mitt Romney
                                Retiring Republican MA Governor

                                8% Duncan Hunter
                                Republican Representative (CA-52)
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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