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    The radical President of Bolivia Evo Morales is attempting to push through a new constitution which the opposition says gives to much power to the President and special rights to groups based solely upon their race. President Morales wants to increase representation of native groups at the expense of Bolivians of European decent. The eastern lowlands are the richest and whitest part of the country and the people there are so upset they have just declared their region to be autonomous from the rest of Bolivia in protest to what they see as Morales' power grade.

    Who's right? I don't know but I sure would like to learn more.

    Bolivia regions declare autonomy
    Street seller in Santa Cruz sells "autonomy" wristbands
    Several of Bolivia's nine regions want more autonomy
    Three provinces in Bolivia have declared autonomy, protesting against constitutional reforms agreed by the government of President Evo Morales.

    Santa Cruz, Beni and Pando - Bolivia's richest regions - are angry at the reforms that include greater state control of the economy.

    Another region, Tarija, is expected to follow suit.

    Security forces are on alert ahead of rallies in the four provinces. Mr Morales said the moves were "illegal".

    The regional protests coincide with a rally in La Pas, the president's stronghold, where members of the Constitutional Assembly are due to deliver the new constitution to Mr Morales.

    The constitutional reforms will be then put to a referendum later this year.

    Deep splits

    The provinces of Beni and Pando declared autonomy at the rallies after the wealthiest region, Santa Cruz, backed a statute on Thursday under which it would keep two-thirds of its tax revenues.

    Supporters of President Morales in La Paz
    President Morales' mostly supporters are gathering in La Pas

    The autonomy charters will now be put to the local populations for approval.

    Some 400 extra police have been sent to Santa Cruz, and the army has been told to prepare to protect public buildings.

    The moves towards autonomy come after an assembly dominated by supporters of President Evo Morales adopted the new national charter article by article last weekend.

    Mr Morales made rewriting the constitution a key part of his reform agenda to give the indigenous majority greater political power, but the issue has deepened regional and ethnic divisions in the country.

    Indigenous rights

    Low-lying Santa Cruz is the most prosperous part of South America's poorest country, having major agricultural businesses and much of Bolivia's oil and gas wealth.

    Will Bolivia's splits widen?

    Pro-autonomy supporters object to the new constitution, which would allow consecutive five-year presidential terms, increase indigenous rights and redistribute wealth to the poorer highland areas of Bolivia.

    On Thursday, Mr Morales called for dialogue, but warned that the unity of Bolivia was inviolable.

    "The unity of the country is untouchable, it is not up for discussion. There is no referendum to be held on the country's unity," Mr Morales said.

    There were frequent demonstrations - both for and against - during the debate over constitutional reforms, with protests sometimes turning violent.
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    Apparently street violence has broken out as pro and anti factions of Morales' new constitution have taken to the streets.

    Violence erupts as Bolivia faces crisis over constitutional reform

    SANTA CRUZ DE LA SIERRA , Bolivia — A historic attempt to rewrite Bolivia's constitution has sparked epic street battles that have injured hundreds and killed three people across Bolivia in the past 10 days. More violence is expected.
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    A constitutional assembly drafting the new charter has until Dec. 14 to finish its work, but bitter disputes have stopped deliberations amid accusations from both sides of trickery and bad faith. Unless one side backs down, many expect the violence to intensify as activist shock troops settle their disputes in the street.

    The battle pits leftist President Evo Morales , whose political base lies in the country's mountainous west, against an opposition that dominates eastern Bolivia's lowlands. The electoral defeat Sunday of a proposed new constitution in Venezuela isn't expected to ease tensions here.

    On Monday, opposition leaders throughout Bolivia launched a hunger strike to protest what they said were the Morales government's authoritarian policies. The president, in an interview with a local newspaper, responded by accusing opposition leaders of acting like plantation owners who treated people like "their cattle."

    "From both sides, there was maximum effort to boycott the meetings and escalate confrontation," said Orlando Cevallos , who represents the Free Bolivia Movement party at the constitutional assembly. "There's been too much insistence on exploiting differences and thinking only about political motives."

    Bolivia's recent history is filled with political turmoil. Two of Morales' predecessors were ousted from office by street protests that Morales led. The current confrontation seems even more explosive.

    "People are pretty nervous in a way they haven't been in a while," said Jim Shultz , the Bolivia -based executive director of the Democracy Center, a nonprofit social justice group. "Something has happened, and the two sides are raising the tensions."

    The most recent conflicts exploded Nov. 23 , when Morales' allies in the constitutional assembly responded to violent protests in Sucre, where the meetings had been held, by gathering in a military academy on the edge of town rather than in the assembly's permanent site downtown.

    With opposition representatives boycotting the meeting, Morales' allies quickly approved a draft constitution that, among other measures, would allow the president to be re-elected repeatedly and would abolish the country's opposition-controlled Senate .

    The proposed constitution also would grant more autonomy to the country's indigenous majority, municipalities and provinces; install a run-off system in presidential elections; and require government workers to speak an indigenous language.

    The assembly's actions unleashed widespread protests in Sucre by university students and others, who've been demanding since August that the headquarters of the country's executive and legislative branches return to Sucre. Sucre, the country's capital until 1899, now hosts only the Supreme Court . Morales' allies had tabled the issue in August in response to protests in La Paz over the issue.

    All weekend, protesters stormed through Sucre, attacking police stations and other government facilities and battling police. Three protesters died, and more than 300 were injured.

    "This was a spontaneous burst of anger," said Antonio Jesus Mendoza , a 28-year-old student at the local state university who helped lead the protests. "We just want this issue to be debated."

    Morales' supporters say business interests in the country's opposition-led east have used the capital issue to block a new constitution, which they said would redistribute power and resources.

    Morales, Bolivia's first indigenous president, has promised to raise the status of indigenous Bolivians while repealing free-market reforms implemented during the 1990s. He's a close ally of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and a fierce critic of the Bush administration.

    "We are the great majority here, of people that, because of the destructive laws of the past, have been forced into the street," said Marta Vargas , the leader of a street vendors union who stood guard outside the military academy along with dozens of Morales supporters. "The opposition needs to understand that the great majority has woken up."

    The turmoil continued after Bolivia's Congress , again without the participation of opposition legislators, voted last Tuesday to move the constitutional assembly from Sucre. Even more controversial, the Congress withdrew a share of hydrocarbon taxes that had gone to the country's nine provinces and diverted the money to a national pension program.

    Six of the country's nine provinces responded by launching a general strike the next day that halted commercial activity throughout much of the country. Vigilante groups reportedly attacked vendors and others who kept their businesses open.

    On Friday, street battles erupted in the Amazonian town of Cobija after opposition activists torched the house of Abraham Cuellar , a dissident replacement senator from the opposition National Unity party who'd refused to boycott the vote on the pension bill.

    The fighting between pro-government and opposition activists left about a dozen people injured, and opposition forces briefly took two police officers hostage.

    The political strife has taken a toll on Morales, who has lost the support of middle-class Bolivians and seen his approval ratings drop from more than 80 percent last year to about 50 percent now. It's also unified what had been a fragmented opposition seeking more autonomy from the central government.

    "It's a failure for Morales that's deep, and it's a failure that's irreversible," Shultz said. "His long-term political power was based on holding this fragile base together, but he lost it, not because of his policies but because of his rhetoric, politics and manner."

    The government has tried to calm passions by calling the opposition to a political dialogue, an appeal that opposition said it will reject until the government apologizes for the deaths in Sucre and nullifies the draft constitution. Morales has ruled out both actions.

    Five opposition governors left for the United States on Monday to lodge complaints against Morales in the Organization of American States and the United Nations . They've also vowed not to recognize any constitution approved under current circumstances, a promise that some fear will lead to the country's break-up.

    "We won't obey their laws," said Luis Nunez Ribera , the vice president of a powerful civic group in the opposition-led province of Santa Cruz . "It won't be our constitution, not when it's implemented this way."
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    • #3
      It seems Morales wants the power to "redistribute" land by taking it from the opposition and giving it to his supporters. The opposition is mostly white while Morales, being an Indian, has mostly native supporters. Naturally the landowners are claiming Morales is attempting to steal their property without compensation and are outraged.
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      • #4
        Sounds badly like Zimbabwe. What little i have seen and heard about Morales so far i thought was ok, but this might turn ugly. I admit that i really don't have enough knowledge about Bolivia and this situation though.

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        • #5
          Where is out local Bolivian poster?
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          • #6
            Is there any?

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            • #7
              One.
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              • #8
                I tend to side with Morales on this one. Increasing representation for indigenous people seems justified, given that they have been pretty much continuously marginalized.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Admiral
                  I tend to side with Morales on this one. Increasing representation for indigenous people seems justified, given that they have been pretty much continuously marginalized.
                  In a democracy all people are supposed to be equal - "greater representation" usually means an un-equal amount of influence for one group based on their ethnicity - which is racist no matter how you try and phrase it.
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                  • #10
                    Nugog - you mis the point that you can't be racist aginst honkeys - only honkeys can be called racists .
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                    • #11
                      This makes me proud to be an American

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                      • #12
                        everything makes you proud to be an american Wiglaf, your last good **** included.

                        I really hope they don't **** it up into another zimbabwe. Do the potential new owners actually know anything about modern agriculture?

                        Why not just give every indian a big sack of money? Probably less destructive than actually giving them the 'means of production'.
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                        • #13
                          Since the new owners are his political supporters and not random qualified people(as per Zimbabwe), probably.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Trouble in Bolivia?

                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            The radical President of Bolivia Evo Morales is attempting to push through a new constitution which the opposition says gives to much power to the President and special rights to groups based solely upon their race. President Morales wants to increase representation of native groups at the expense of Bolivians of European decent. The eastern lowlands are the richest and whitest part of the country and the people there are so upset they have just declared their region to be autonomous from the rest of Bolivia in protest to what they see as Morales' power grade.

                            Who's right? I don't know but I sure would like to learn more.



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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nugog
                              In a democracy all people are supposed to be equal - "greater representation" usually means an un-equal amount of influence for one group based on their ethnicity - which is racist no matter how you try and phrase it.
                              You assume that right now equal representation exists. The whites, while a minority in the country, have always held vastly greater power over the Indian majority, usually be engaging in mass violence. Equal representations on the basis of individuals, would, as in South Africa, mean much greater representation for the native population. And this is to what the whites object, loss of their "rightful" authority and power over the Indians. They were never cessationists while they were in charge. Now that Bolivia's becoming more equal they want to take their ball and go home.
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