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  • #121
    Originally posted by Oerdin
    ****ing Bush administration didn't do **** for me. I had a two year fixed which started floating last year and the interest on my payment has gone up over $500 per month since it started floating last year. My original plan was to refinance after the fixed rate period was over but since the value of my home has gone down $120,000 in the last 18 months there is no hope of that especially in the current liquidity crisis. I am current in all my payments and will remain so but to invest $70,000 down on a house and to find myself $50,000 under water three years later is a bit of a downer.
    Too bad the fires didn't get your house a couple years back.
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    • #122
      Why are you people craping all over this thread?
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      • #123
        The classic, "I loved this thread jack until I started losing so now I'm going to whine" argument!
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        • #124
          Because they may have to make a choice on feeding themselves or getting insurance. Oh, what wasteful peoples!!
          Why are they having to make that choice? Because they hade a debilitating stroke or because they blew their life savings at the blackjack table? I think the distiction matters.

          As I already said, there are people who have to make that genuine choice, but not enough to float a universal government program covering 300 million people.

          Both are heavily subsidized by the government.
          Oerdin is not talking about subsidizing at all, and definetly not subsiding only specific groups (abject poor, disabled, whatever), he is talking about a French style universal full coverage system.

          Yes, let's wait until they are suffering from EMERGENCY before we treat them!!
          If they are suffering that emergency because of their own inadequate choices, their problem.

          But again, what is more expensive, the emergency care not payed for by only 1/3 of us who don't have insurance, or a universal coverage plan taxing 300 million people?

          And food stamps is actually a very good argument; you just can't counter it.
          No, its not, becasue it is not the same thing Oerdin wants.

          The poor aren't affected here? That's a new one.
          Who said we weren't talking about the poor?

          The "choices" argument has been used to try to deny poor people welfare in the past.
          Its a good one to. I examined the financial records of hundreds of lower class E1s/E2s for three years when I would start to get collection notices from their creditors. Never once did I find that after sitting these 17/18 year olds down and examining their finances that their problems were anyone elses fault except their own. No extenuating circumstances, no freak events in their lives. It was always "so Seaman Schmuckately, what made you think you could aford a 45K Escalade on a salary of 30K a year?" "So Seaman Timmy, I noticed you have $1000K on your credit card statment from downtown bars this mouth. Since you only make $1200 a month, why do you find it odd you can't afford baby formula?"

          So, are you saying we shouldn't pay welfare.
          No, but I sure as hell think there should be a sit down and wtih objective look at their finances before pushing the teet of the taxpayers into their mouth. And in adequatly run welfare programs that is exactly what happens, so why should we give a blacket bail out for healthcare?

          The classic, "I loved this thread jack until I started losing so now I'm going to whine" argument!
          You are cute when you falsely righteous
          Last edited by Patroklos; December 7, 2007, 11:24.
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          • #125
            Actually no. I've barely participated in this thread in this thread since you've steered it away from the relief being given to people who chose to live in more house than they can afford.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #126
              A WaPo article about backlash against this and other similar plans.

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/06/AR2007120602572.html?hpid=topnews
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #127
                Originally posted by Patroklos


                Oerdin, you make me sad

                It doesn't tell us WHAT we can do, it tells us what we HAVE to do. And health care is not one of the HAVE to dos.
                Actually, it primarily tells us what the government can NOT do, in addition to spelling out the construction and selection of the government. The constitution has very little in it indicating what the government MUST do (other than, again, defining what the government is).

                The Federal Government of 2007 is a very different animal than that of 1787...
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                • #128
                  Oerdin is not talking about subsidizing at all, and definetly not subsiding only specific groups (abject poor, disabled, whatever), he is talking about a French style universal full coverage system.
                  More ignorance. I want to impliment a system where, unlike the French, the government doesn't own all of the hospitals nor are all health care workers government employees. Instead a government corporation, a la the Post Office or the Tennessee Valley Water Authority, would be a universal health insurance provider and individuals would still be able to shop around to find a private service provider they liked. Like in the Dutch or British system individuals would also be able to purchase supplimental coverage if they wanted to for what ever reason but everyone would be provided with a basic level of health insurance including preventative care just because they were Americans.
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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    A WaPo article about backlash against this and other similar plans.

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
                    Bah, Bush's plan covers hardly anyone at all. Not even worth talking about this nonexistent backlash.
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                    • #130
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      ... the government doesn't own all of the hospitals nor are all health care workers government employees. Instead a government corporation,...
                      I don't think you've thought that through.
                      Bah, Bush's plan covers hardly anyone at all.
                      You talk about that like it's a bad thing.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #131
                        I'm saying the epic whining about Bush's half measure by the right wing is uncalled for and a complete over reaction. But such behavior is to be expected from those people. They are, after all, Chicken Littles who constantly claim the sky is falling.
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                        • #132
                          Why shouldn't they be mad at efforts to relieve people from the consequences of choices they made. After all it was thier choice to get crap loans like yours.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #133


                            They're welcome to vote on it next election. I imagine the people will not entertain the money men's whines much though.
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                            • #134
                              More ignorance.
                              I'm sorry, were you not just tongueing the ******* of the French on page four?

                              They are, after all, Chicken Littles who constantly claim the sky is falling.
                              Coming from you that is...just...

                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                              • #135
                                Why are we talking about the constitution? This is a question of economic policy. The commerce clause gives the feds pretty much unlimited power here.

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