Gunman in Omaha kills 8, then himself

[Patroklos]

If all nineteen year old virgins went on killing sprees, there would be no one left.

[MarkG]

“The person who we believe to be the shooter has died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds,”

so he didnt commit suicide?

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wezil
Personally I don't even think they're worth talking about outside of an academic or legal setting. Everyone always claim they want to "understand" the motive/behaviour of these killers but at the end of the day what have they really learned? I think it is a cover for the fact they enjoy the sensationalism. My two cents.

I respectfully disagree.

Everyone I know that is a free thinker became so because they were tired of hearing the same old bs from the same old circles.

What you are suggesting here is that only certain members of society be allowed to know certain facts about that society and then parse them out to the rest of us.

In other words, censorship.

What does it matter 'why' people want to know about these things?

And 'at the end of the day' shouldn't the decision about what they learned be left up to them?

[Kuken]

Originally posted by Dis
Well... The name appears to be out. I wish they wouldn't do that, they really achieve notoriety they can't achieve living, that's why they do it.

His suicide note: "Now I'll be famous".

[Wezil]

Originally posted by uberloz


I respectfully disagree.

Everyone I know that is a free thinker became so because they were tired of hearing the same old bs from the same old circles.

What you are suggesting here is that only certain members of society be allowed to know certain facts about that society and then parse them out to the rest of us.

In other words, censorship.

What does it matter 'why' people want to know about these things?

And 'at the end of the day' shouldn't the decision about what they learned be left up to them?

I'm not a big fan of media pandering to sensationalism. The have a social responsibility.

Do you think the media should broadcast details of suicides as well? After all "people" want to know.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kuken




His suicide note: "Now I'll be famous".

Yep, and we'll help him do it. I still hear the name of the Montreal shooter almost two decades later (heard it again morning).

[Elok]

Honestly, all these psycho-rampage-suicides tend to blur together after a while, and horrible as it sounds that's probably for the best. I remember there was one in Finland a little while ago, but I only remember the guy's first name was Pekka because, y'know, we have one too. I couldn't remember his last name to save my life, and not just because it was Suomi and therefore probably not pronounceable.

If the motive of these killings is to achieve notoriety, the sicko of the future is going to face diminishing returns. They'll either have to kill increasingly large numbers of people with increasing flair, which is a losing game, or accept that their struggle for nutjob hall-of-fame immortality is futile. I'm not sure which.

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wezil


I'm not a big fan of media pandering to sensationalism. The have a social responsibility.

Do you think the media should broadcast details of suicides as well? After all "people" want to know.

I'm not a big fan of the media, period.

But what would you say if for instance the only news you heard about this shooting was, "The details are going to be withheld because we here in the media honestly believe you don't really need to know!"

What would your reaction be?

Mine would be outrage and an immediate demand to know all the facts.

Suicides are not always hand in hand with homicides like this one was and therefore in a different category.

But if someone really wanted to dig into people's suicides I bet there are public records available for people with a penchant for such ghoulism.

But that's their scene, it's just not how I roll.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by uberloz


I'm not a big fan of the media, period.

But what would you say if for instance the only news you heard about this shooting was, "The details are going to be withheld because we here in the media honestly believe you don't really need to know!"

What would your reaction be?

Mine would be outrage and an immediate demand to know all the facts.

Suicides are not always hand in hand with homicides like this one was and therefore in a different category.

But if someone really wanted to dig into people's suicides I bet there are public records available for people with a penchant for such ghoulism.

But that's their scene, it's just not how I roll.

If you think I'm a fan of censorship you are sadly mistaken. I'm libertarian.

I don't have an issue with reporting the crime but I do have an issue with giving the named individual notoriety. Will your knowledge of the "facts" be impaired b/c you don't know his name? How does this tidbit help you "understand"?

Name the victims, let the shooter remain now and forever - anonymous.

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wezil If you think I'm a fan of censorship you are sadly mistaken. I'm libertarian.

People here get offended so easily.

I never implied you were a fan of censorship. I only said that what you were proposing was censorship.

I guess I'll note your political affiliation 'coming out' post although I honestly don't see why you felt it was necessary.

[SIZE=1] I don't have an issue with reporting the crime but I do have an issue with giving the named individual notoriety. Will your knowledge of the "facts" be impaired b/c you don't know his name? How does this tidbit help you "understand"?

Name the victims, let the shooter remain now and forever - anonymous.

Who said I sought "understanding"?

Even if that's what I wanted why should that be anyone's business but mine?

The shooter's name is one of the facts of the case. Not reporting it is still censorship.

[Wezil]

Offended? Hardly. I have thicker skin that that. I mention my beliefs b/c you seem to imply I favour censorship. I do not.

What I do favour is responsibility. Giving these kooks the fame they desire is not being responsible. You still haven't addressed my suicide point. Should the media report these names as well?

Great. keep looking for those names. I'm sure your life will be better and more complete because of it.

[Tingkai]

I always get a good laugh out of the Conservative, or should I say Conservanuts stupidity.

A gunmen goes on a rampage, and the Conservanut response is to blame the media and demand limits on freedom of speech.



Because we have no proof that the media creates copycat gunmen, but who cares, just blame the media. And of course god forbid the Americans do anything logical like have some type of minor gun control.

[Wezil]

Great. The guy that is always dead wrong disagrees with me.

I know I'm right now.

[Tingkai]

Classic Conserva-nut response: I'm right, he's wrong because I'm right even it makes no sense.

[Wezil]

Your reputation precedes you.