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    Greece, FYROM still far apart on name

    AP - Monday, December 03, 2007 9:50 AM

    SKOPJE, Macedonia-Greece and Macedonia remain far apart in a dispute over the former Yugoslav republic's name, the U.N. mediator on the issue said Monday. Greece has threatened to veto Macedonia's efforts to join NATO unless the disagreement is resolved.

    U.N. special envoy Matthew Nimetz visited Skopje on Monday, and was due in Athens on Wednesday as part of ongoing efforts to resolve the dispute.

    "Progress in this latest round of talks was in getting ideas and views," he said after meeting with President Branko Crvenkovski, Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski and Foreign Minister Antonio Milososki. "This is not an easy issue and the positions here and in Greece are well known."

    Sixteen years after Macedonia gained bloodless independence from Yugoslavia, the Balkan neighbors still cannot agree on what to call the tiny, landlocked state. Athens argues that the name "Macedonia" could imply territorial claims on the northern Greek province of Macedonia. Officially, the country is known internationally as The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, or FYROM.

    Athens has threatened to scuttle its neighbor's NATO and EU membership bids if Skopje refuses to reach a mutually acceptable solution.

    Skopje has said it will only discuss a name to be used bilaterally with Greece, insisting on its current name for international relations. Athens says a deal must apply internationally.

    Both countries have maintained diplomatic relations since 1995. The name dispute has not prevented business and trade relations from flourishing, and Greece remains the largest foreign investor in Macedonia.

  • #2
    I think a Cage Match is the only way left to settle this thing.
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    • #3
      I think it sounds good

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      • #4
        They should just sell naming rights to a corporate sponsor, like sports teams do. Sell it for 5 or 10 years, lather, rinse, repeat. Sweeten the deal with national holidays, stamps, music festivals, the works.

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        • #5
          Officially, the country is known internationally as The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, or FYROM.


          *cough*

          Not really







          It's Macedonia to everbody who is anybody

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          • #6
            Brits here are still FYROMing... that Greek lobby in UK media is strong

            I sort of got used to it

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            • #7
              I don't know. Most I hear about of Greek history comes from myths and legends. I'm starting to doubt whether there ever was a Greece.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DaShi
                I'm starting to doubt whether there ever was a Greece.
                Yes, it was all an evil Hellenic conspiracy. The Parthenon was actually faked in the 18th century.

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                • #9
                  Lake Orid was nice. Lots of hot slutty chicks.
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                  • #10
                    Belgium has a province called Luxemburg.
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                    • #11
                      Belgium doesn't exist.
                      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
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                      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maniac
                        Belgium has a province called Luxemburg.
                        And Belgium is falling apart.
                        STOP encouraging the Greeps!

                        IMHO the Macedonians should accept FYROM as their name. They should simply skip the dots in between them.
                        It sounds fearfull, mythical and very exotic...
                        FYROM totally rocks
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by germanos
                          IMHO the Macedonians should accept FYROM as their name.
                          Only if Greece accepts FOPOG.
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                          • #14
                            They should name it Funkytown...
                            Monkey!!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by VetLegion
                              *cough*

                              Not really
                              you are aware what the words "officially" and "internationally" mean, right?
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