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  • #16
    Plant things.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • #17
      Sure and ignore the fact you would need to increase the size of the biosphere quite a bit to absorb all that carbon.
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #18
        Fuel cells are not ready for prime time yet, but, IIRC, there were some recent advancements a couple of weeks back that looked like they will make it a lot more practical.
        "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Heraclitus
          Sure and ignore the fact you would need to increase the size of the biosphere quite a bit to absorb all that carbon.
          That's not what you asked though.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #20
            I thought it was self-apparent. Silly me.
            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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            • #21
              Originally posted by snoopy369
              Isn't there some concern about hydrogen cells making global warming *worse* because of the fact that they release a very potent global warming exhaust - water vapor?
              I'm no expert but I remember someone explaining that the quantity of H2O that can act as a greenhouse gas is actually more or less fixed, in equilibrium with different other things (temperature etc...).
              That is, if you produce a lot of extra water vapor, it basically disappears after a few days.


              So if my understanding is correct, while water vapor IS an important greenhouse gas, water vapor production is not really worrying on this side.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PLATO
                Hydrogen fuel cells are ready now. If anybody had any real desire to do so, we could be off gasoline as a fuel very easily in the next 13 years.
                But what about the actual energy problem?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lul Thyme


                  But what about the actual energy problem?
                  What do you mean?
                  Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                  The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                  The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Wezil
                    In exchange for a higher benchmark than automakers had wanted, the industry would continue to get credit for making vehicles that run on alternate fuels such as gasoline blended with ethanol.


                    I wish we could leave this madness behind.
                    Ethanol is a great idea but not if we're using corn to produce it. If we do use corn then it is stupid because we use more oil to produce the corn then we save by making ethanol. Republicans want to buy votes in fly over country so they raise this red herring and keep the tariff on sugar unreasonably high.

                    If we really wanted to reduce oil consumption we'd stop subsidizing useless corn production and start importing sugar cain from Latin America and Africa then use that sugar to make ethanol. THAT is how you make ethanol which actually produces more energy then it uses.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Heraclitus


                      What do you mean?
                      Hydrogen is not a source of energy, it is a method of storing energy. He is asking where will the ultimate (renewable) source come from?
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #26
                        I love how the right wingers over at CFC are claiming these new CAFE standards are impossible and unreasonable. As if standards slightly below what is already achieved by the EU, Japan, and even China were some how impossible to achieve. We're only talking about a 15% improvement over the fuel economy standards the US itself achieved twenty years ago!
                        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dauphin


                          Hydrogen is not a source of energy, it is a method of storing energy. He is asking where will the ultimate (renewable) source come from?
                          PLATO already said nuclear and I agree. Not renewable but it will last for at least a century or two.
                          Last edited by Heraclitus; December 2, 2007, 16:18.
                          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            I love how the right wingers over at CFC are claiming these new CAFE standards are impossible and unreasonable. As if standards slightly below what is already achieved by the EU, Japan, and even China were some how impossible to achieve. We're only talking about a 15% improvement over the fuel economy standards the US itself achieved twenty years ago!
                            Newspaper headline:

                            Polytubbies have bigger brains that CFC posters

                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #29
                              Much more then a century or two.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Oerdin
                                Much more then a century or two.
                                I remember quite clearly hearing somewhere that it would last for about 150 years with current uranium based reactors. And about a century longer if we converted uranium to plutonium and used that as fuel.
                                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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