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FYI Court: I heard about this from a clanmate in the CS team I'm in. He is a local person, been living in northern suburbs of Paris for 17 years. Didn't think this would make a thread in 'poly, but once I saw this I just inserted my standard "PRAISE ALLAH"-reply since some of the intellectuals over here can't count 2+2 unless the answer is slapped all over their faces. "Immigrant" is a more descriptive code-word than "youth", but it's still a BS code-word. The problem hasn't got anything to do with the concept of immigration, it's got to do with Europeans being idiots who with open arms welcome all sorts of ***hole immigrants who don't want to play by the rules of their societies.
Not sure if this has anything to do with religion, folks.
It has to do with religion as much as the Paris riots in '05 and the Muhammed cartoon riots against Denmark had. In other words, it has nothing to do with the concept of religion but a lot to do with islam, and everything to do with the code-word "Islamophobia", which as it's currently being used means willingness to defend the weaker parts of your society against violent thugs who demand you to submit and surrender in front of their violence just because the thugs are muslims.
Racist islamophobia which provocated this
Originally posted by Cort Haus
The Times correspondant there is the first account I've seen so far from someone who actually knows the area and has been talking to local people. From his description it sounds like a reaction to poor policing of immigrant areas.
See?
You're catching on, too: It was a provocation which forced the "youths" to react!
Whenever these "youths" go on a rampage, burn cars, destroy property for fun, try to murder cops, gang-rape; it's never their own fault. It's always the fault of the society, our fault. "Youths" are unemployed, "youths" don't have a lot of money, "youths" don't have enough recreational activities -- when all else fails, the reason was that "youths" felt the inherit racism of the society around them and just had to act. They're always portrayed as victims who react, as if they'd be helpless animals who don't have their own will to help themselves.
If it doesn't happen to be that the "youths" are policed too much (that was the official reason of Paris' riots in '05, if you still remember), then the next excuse is that "youths" aren't policed enough (reason, as we now learn, of these Paris' riots).
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I'm tired of waiting for the French to machine-gun the rioters.
Seriously, burning cars and shooting at police because some probably stoned kids killed themselves by crashing on a probably stolen bike into a police car? You've got to show them their place. You've got to hit them so hard that they finally adopt French ways assimilate instead of banding up into ghettoes and hating those who welcomed them into their country.
French authorities
Graffiti in a public toilet
Do not require skill or wit
Among the **** we all are poets
Among the poets we are ****.
Originally posted by onodera
I'm tired of waiting for the French to machine-gun the rioters.
Seriously, burning cars and shooting at police because some probably stoned kids killed themselves by crashing on a probably stolen bike into a police car? You've got to show them their place. You've got to hit them so hard that they finally adopt French ways assimilate instead of banding up into ghettoes and hating those who welcomed them into their country.
French authorities
It's not politically correct to say but these are obviously not native Frenchmen, but immigrants.
I used to mock Denmark for its fascist immigration policy, but it's probably the right thing to do before there's a critical mass of people who feel like it's not their country and they can trash it
But we have a lot of people from Turkey etc and while there are surely problems with integration they are not rioting all the time. So pointing exclusively to immigration doesn't explain it IMO.
Hey steady on VJ. Just because I used the word 'reaction' (which I did pause over, expecting someone to leap on it), that doesn't mean that I'm saying it's a good reaction, or that I approve.
In the UK we had riots in the 80's that were linked to poor policing of black areas. It was a incontestible fact that police back then were racist. Whether or not there are any similarities to that scenario and the present one in France I don't know. I was just suggesting caution in analysis. I have heard unflattering descriptions of French police before, and not from the demographic involved in this rioting.
You might be correct to suggest that this is ultimately about separatist islamism. I was just reluctant to jump to conclusions too early.
Originally posted by Japher
Wow. If only the French had such fighting prowness during war times.
They did though. La Resistance has a much better reputation than France's army. It make you wonder if they're not just surrendering so they can engage in guerilla warfare
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-Joan Robinson
Originally posted by Cort Haus
Hey steady on VJ. Just because I used the word 'reaction' (which I did pause over, expecting someone to leap on it), that doesn't mean that I'm saying it's a good reaction, or that I approve.
My point was that it's not a reaction. We should all be tired and mad as hell for the media for spinning it yet again by still daring to say that this a "reaction" which could've been avoided if we'd be even more politically correct and even bigger pussies when faced with arrogant and violent thugs.
You might be correct to suggest that this is ultimately about separatist islamism.
I'm not trying to suggest that, and I'm sorry if I confused you if it appeared that I did.
Originally posted by VetLegion
It's not politically correct to say but these are obviously not native Frenchmen, but immigrants.
I used to mock Denmark for its fascist immigration policy, but it's probably the right thing to do before there's a critical mass of people who feel like it's not their country and they can trash it
Kind of like illegal Mexicans.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Originally posted by BeBro
But we have a lot of people from Turkey etc and while there are surely problems with integration they are not rioting all the time. So pointing exclusively to immigration doesn't explain it IMO.
The difference in history between Germany and France surely has nothing to do with it
Originally posted by BeBro
But we have a lot of people from Turkey etc and while there are surely problems with integration they are not rioting all the time. So pointing exclusively to immigration doesn't explain it IMO.
Germany started building modernist public housing projects back when its poor were "ethnic Germans" and if the Turks are packed in suburban isolation in modernist public housing like in France (I dont know) presumably at least they dont see the whole thing as a conspiracy against brown immigrants, as the French immigrants do.
(we had awful modernist public housing projects, but thanks to anglo-saxon locational preferences, they were in the inner cities and werent as isolated - nonetheless we of course had race riots, which we solved ultimately, with a combo of get tough rhetoric, civilian review boards to counter police brutality, buying off the riot leaders/inciters with jobs in poverty programs, affirmative action and racism reduction that got a lot of folks out of the ghettos, and perhaps most importantly, getting lots of black folks onto police forces)
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Can Brits and Yanks both come together and agree that riots by pissed off Arabs youths in France is entertaining?
Last time the score was:
Pissed off arabs: 43
French police: 0
Anyone got a score for this game so far?
I need some more popcorn.
P.S. #### France.
No, not generic racism, I can give you a long list of fully rational reasons that I say #### France in the same way some may say #### Saudi Arabia or #### China.
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